who were the nephilim?

[spidergoolash]

genesis 6:4 - the nephilim were on the earth in those days - and also afterward - when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. they were the heroes of old, men of renown ...

this passage in the Bible always fascinated me. mainly, who were they and are they still here?

comments anyone?

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[DaOldBroad]

Ya know, I've often wondered the same thing. But at this stage of the game in my life I now wonder if we are not pawns in the great scheme of things???????
I mean, how much control do we really have of our lives? Circumstances seem to rule, not our choices. I can back my statement up with facts!!

[spidergoolash]

excellent point - i do believe that the choices we make in life will affect how we fit into that great scheme of things ...

damn, i think too much ...

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[DaOldBroad]

Sometimes we pay a large price for the error of our ways...if I make a mistake, I must pay for it forever...that sux..maybe that's what happened to the nephilim. Who are they? I'd like to know also...all the great minds out there...any answers? Might be too perplex of a question.

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[spidergoolash]

one may never know ...

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[Alien]

The Bible has always brought curiosity, so I had 5 minutes and just poked around for some random links on the subject. http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

http://www.ftech.net/~bric/

http://www.scripturessay.com/q246b.html

http://exosci.com/ufo/discuss/messages/1757.html

http://www.angelfire.com/nm/ufobible/

http://www.khouse.org/events/pp/mark070597/session3/sld014.htm

http://www.cfwbbs.org/%24WEBMSG.Read.ARMAGEDD.136

http://ayup.limey.net/~mikecap/Nephilim/tt.html

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/enoch5.html

Just some things that seem like fun reading!

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rainbow. ...and Midian is where the monsters live." -Nightbreed]


[Edited by Alien @ May 07, 2000 (edited 5 times)]

[spidergoolash]

alien - thanxz for taking the time to find these links. looks like i'm gonna be busy for a while.

okay, here's one more from ezekiel 1:15: as i looked at the living creatures, i saw a WHEEL on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. this was the appearance and structure of the wheels: they sparkled like chrysolite and all four looked alike. each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. as they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced. the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went. their rims were high and awesome and all four rims were full of eyes all around ...

a biblical description of a ufo perhaps ?

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[DaOldBroad]

Alien, I went to a few of those sites, it seems all the excitement took place before we came along. I also find Revelations an interesting read..wonder when all of that action will take place. Or, has it started already?

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I cried cause I had no shoes, until I met a man with no feet.

[spidergoolash]

revelation doesn't paint a pretty picture, that's fer sure. i agree with you in that a lot of stuff is already happening ... scary, ain't it?

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[DaOldBroad]

It's like really subtle, we have major social/family decay, that no one seems to be able to cure. No matter how much $$ they throw at the problem. Same with the school systems...what a damn mess. I actually remember when the majority of ppl who graduated high school could spell! Our government is corrupt as hell, who trusts them? Extremely weird weather...it all seems to tie in...and keeps getting worse. Wonder if we'll be here for the "end." Or, would we be better off to have already gone to the greater beyond? It's a question to make you go hmmm...

[spidergoolash]

yep, all good points. i think the book of matthew gives the best explanation of what we should be doing w/our time here on earth, but man - it's hard to be that good ...

[Helga The Viking]

I beleive they were some sort of Angel....

[possum37]

The Nephilim are also mentioned in Numbers 13:33 and Deuteronomy 2:10-11 -- they were "people of gigantic stature whose superhuman power was thought to result from divine-human marriage" (New Oxford Annotated Bible, NRSV).

Numbers 13:33 -- "There [in Canaan] we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them."

Deuteronomy 2:10-11 -- "The Emim -- a large and numerous people, as tall as the Anakim -- had formerly inhabited it [Moab]. Like the Anakim, they are usually reckoned as Rephaim, though the Moabites call them Emim."

They were just unusually tall people http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

And now, on to Ezekiel...the four creatures were man, lion, bull and eagle, each representative and dominating a particular sphere of influence...

Lion: wild animals
Bull: domestic animals
Eagle: birds of the air
Man: creation in general

Hmmm...winged human-headed lions and winged human-headed oxen...the ancient Babylonian karibu -- what we now call Cherubim http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

The Hebrew word Kerub is translated by some scholars as "one who intercedes" and by others as "knowledge." The original Karibu were the terrible and monstrous guardians of the temples and palaces in Sumer and Babylon. There were also similar guardians in the Near East, and there were winged, eagle-headed deities that guarded an Assyrian Tree of Everlasting Life.

Hope this helps! See, a degree in Theology does sometimes come in handy http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/wink.gif




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[spidergoolash]

possum - thanxz for posting all this info. i really appreciate everyone's input on this. it's obvious that your degree has served you well ...

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[verbaby]

Yes the nephilim were a type of special angel closely related to the seraphim. Unlike the regular angels and arch angels these ones were mainly created by God as guardians of areas or inanimate objects.

For instance after the casting out of Eden the Seraphim were set to guard the entrance and anyone attempting to enter would be immediately struck down.

Obviously these guys have powers the regular angels don't. The regular angels and arch angels don't generally guard places and things, they guard people and they also can't kill!

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[spidergoolash]

so your saying that they were angels and not just unusually large people?

and what do you make of the verse from ezekiel?

btw, i like your homepage ...

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[Edited by spidergoolash @ May 20, 2000 (edited 1 time)]

[verbaby]

Thanks for the compliments on my page!

And no they are thought of as being a special being like an angel and not just large people because of the way they are described, most often as being horrible to look at, they and the Cherubim would strike terror in the hearts of men etc. I am quoting losely here from my Bib Lit classes, but you get the gist.

And as to the verse in Ezekiel I can not and never could quite explain it, in spite of all my studies and ministerial credentials. When we discussed this in class, since it is a vision of the future, it was hard to place exactly what the wheels could be referring to. We of course discussed the possibility of UFO's, future space vehicles of our own, some form of plane, or perhaps just a symbolic item that is hard to interpret.

It is hard to understand what in those days he was describing in his vision, maybe something a lot different from what we visualize as a wheel??? I will poll a few fellow Ministers and see what the others opinions are and if anyone else has clearer insight into it than I do.

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[verbaby]

No I would say the UFO theory may not be totally of base.

I even polled several other Ministers last night and that was the most common meaning grasped from it. No one had any other theories on it!


Anyway here is a basic breakdown on Ezekiel as sent to me by our Arch Bishop and this goes into the sybolism aspect!


Ezekiel was one of the priests; he was carried captive to
Chaldea with Jehoiachin. All his prophecies appear to have been
delivered in that country, at some place north of Babylon. Their
chief object appears to have been to comfort his brethren in
captivity. He is directed to warn of the dreadful calamities
coming upon Judea, particularly upon the false prophets, and the
neighbouring nations. Also to announce the future restoration of
Israel and Judah from their several dispersions, and their happy
state in their latter days, under the Messiah. Much of Christ
will be found in this book, especially in the conclusion.

* Ezekiel's vision of God, and of the angelic host. (1-14) The
conduct of Divine Providence. (15-25) A revelation of the Son of
man upon his heavenly throne. (26-28)

#1-14 It is a mercy to have the word of God brought to us, and a
duty to attend to it diligently, when we are in affliction. The
voice of God came in the fulness of light and power, by the Holy
Spirit. These visions seem to have been sent to possess the
prophet's mind with great and high thoughts of God. To strike
terror upon sinners. To speak comfort to those that feared God,
and humbled themselves. In ver. 4-14, is the first part of the
vision, which represents God as attended and served by a vast
company of angels, who are all his messengers, his ministers,
doing his commandments. This vision would impress the mind with
solemn awe and fear of the Divine displeasure, yet raise
expectations of blessings. The fire is surrounded with a glory.
Though we cannot by searching find out God to perfection, yet we
see the brightness round about it. The likeness of the living
creatures came out of the midst of the fire; angels derive their
being and power from God. They have the understanding of a man,
and far more. A lion excels in strength and boldness. An ox
excels in diligence and patience, and unwearied discharge of the
work he has to do. An eagle excels in quickness and piercing
sight, and in soaring high; and the angels, who excel man in all
these respects, put on these appearances. The angels have wings;
and whatever business God sends them upon, they lose no time.
They stood straight, and firm, and steady. They had not only
wings for motion, but hands for action. Many persons are quick,
who are not active; they hurry about, but do nothing to purpose;
they have wings, but no hands. But wherever the angels' wings
carried them, they carried hands with them, to be doing what
duty required. Whatever service they went about, they went every
one straight forward. When we go straight, we go forward; when
we serve God with one heart, we perform work. They turned not
when they went. They made no mistakes; and their work needed not
to be gone over again. They turned not from their business to
trifle with any thing. They went whithersoever the Spirit of God
would have them go. The prophet saw these living creatures by
their own light, for their appearance was like burning coals of
fire; they are seraphim, or "burners;" denoting the ardour of
their love to God, and fervent zeal in his service. We may learn
profitable lessons from subjects we cannot fully enter into or
understand. But let us attend to the things which relate to our
peace and duty, and leave secret things to the Lord, to whom
alone they belong.
#15-25 Providence, represented by the wheels, produces changes.
Sometimes one spoke of the wheel is uppermost, sometimes
another; but the motion of the wheel on its own axletree is
regular and steady. We need not despond in adversity; the wheels
are turning round and will raise us in due time, while those who
presume in prosperity know not how soon they may be cast down.
The wheel is near the living creatures; the angels are employed
as ministers of God's providence. The spirit of the living
creatures was in the wheels; the same wisdom, power, and
holiness of God, that guide and govern the angels, by them order
all events in this lower world. The wheel had four faces,
denoting that the providence of God exerts itself in all parts.
Look every way upon the wheel of providence, it has a face
toward you. Their appearance and work were as a wheel in the
middle of a wheel. The disposals of Providence seem to us dark,
perplexed, and unaccountable, yet are all wisely ordered for the
best. The motion of these wheels was steady, regular, and
constant. They went as the Spirit directed, therefore returned
not. We should not have to undo that by repentance which we have
done amiss, if we followed the guidance of the Spirit. The
rings, or rims of the wheels were so vast, that when put in
motion the prophet was afraid to look upon them. The
consideration of the height and depth of God's counsel should
awe us. They were full of eyes round about. The motions of
Providence are all directed by infinite Wisdom. All events are
determined by the eyes of the Lord, which are in every place
beholding the evil and the good; for there is no such thing as
chance or fortune. The firmament above was a crystal, glorious,
but terribly so. That which we take to be a dark cloud, is to
God clear as crystal, through which he looks upon all the
inhabitants of the earth. When the angels had roused a careless
world, they let down their wings, that God's voice might be
plainly heard. The voice of Providence is to open men's ears to
the voice of the word. Sounds on earth should awaken our
attention to the voice from heaven; for how shall we escape, if
we turn away from Him that speaks from thence.

#26-28 The eternal Son, the second Person in the Trinity, who
afterwards took the human nature, is here denoted. The first
thing observed was a throne. It is a throne of glory, a throne
of grace, a throne of triumph, a throne of government, a throne
of judgment. It is good news to men, that the throne above the
firmament is filled with One who appears, even there, in the
likeness of a man. The throne is surrounded with a rainbow, the
well-known emblem of the covenant, representing God's mercy and
covenanted love to his people. The fire of God's wrath was
breaking out against Jerusalem, but bounds should be set to it;
he would look upon the bow, and remember the covenant. All the
prophet saw was only to prepare him for what he was to hear.
When he fell on his face, he heard the voice of One that spake.
God delights to teach the humble. Let sinners, then, humble
themselves before him. And let believers think upon his glory,
that they may be gradually changed into his image by the Spirit
of the Lord.

[spidergoolash]

so i guess the ufo theory is not totally off-base then? from reading it over and over again, that is just my honest interpretation of it. i always tend to read the bible that way, by what it actually says, not by the symbolic meaning of something, which in turn, confuses me sometimes.

thanxz for checking around for me. i learn something new on this board everyday.

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[spidergoolash]

this was posted over a week ago and i didn't catch it until now.

wow! this is really wonderful - thanxz verbaby.

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[RainFall]

Sort of on the subject, and you'll have to humor me as i will you.

Being of one that does not "follow"(if you will) the christian faith i would surely, if ETs came to the earth and said "Everything the bible said is true". I would be the first person at church on sunday.

Now...

If the reverse were true, and we were told that everything of the christian faith were manmade fallacies, would your views change? or would you perhaps say these ETs are the "work of the devil conspiring to take your faith away from god" which i'd bet i'd hear all too often if asked this question on the streets.

[spidergoolash]

rainfall: no my views would not change. i believe what the bible says and that's that http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

and who knows what et's are or what they want - but i do believe they exist ...

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[Aaron Hernandez]

The truth is that the nephilim were of the seed of satan and were born from
women. They are semigods.The Buddihst Religion(depending on the region)believe there are 6 realms human,animals,plants,gods,natu re,and semigods.
Humans live with all realms except gods and semigods.But before the flood fallen angels were able to come to our realm and bare children with the daughters of men.And there came a new breed.But they were plauged with jelousy over God.The nephilim were sons of fallen angels so they were forced to become sons of Satan and do evil doings(murder,theft,ect.)But Satan new this was coming just read Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the women, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." This means Satan had a say wether angels were able to fall to Earth.Does this mean Satan can still control the Angels and have them mate with the daughters of men?I believe that this is happening as you read.Humans are being born with great evil within and strange features(6 fingers per hand,extra hand,another head,extremly tall,ect)These people are decendants of the Nephlim and have the ability do do great evil so BEWARE!!!!!! Please post your comments toword this.

[lobo]

Seems that Your youth was very unhappy.

Does Your enthusiasm help to struggle the depression?

[Diesel]

nephilim - n. - a nomadic people who migrated from the Scandanavian highlands of Nortenflufignalen who join web forums and resuscitate 5+ year-old threads in order to insert their own Doomsday interpretations.

;)

[mthrlangl]

Hoo-boy. I do love me some street preachin'!

'Cuz ya know, people with deformities are evil.

[psi]

I've had my views of Doomsday but I leave it be now, plus I made it's own thread though!

I just leave it to the line, "One ring, to rule them all!"

As like in movie, Good vs. Evil in the endurance of our souls to what we bring as the outcome of the future. In a sense we are just merry hobbits that may ultimately bring the change of future. But then again them hobbits are mighty deformed eh MTH? lol you got to love a crazy tangent from psi here once in awhile

[monsieurjohn]

:lol:

[Abductee]

no one really knows what the nephellim were,or are if they're still around. Many bible experts believe they were a race of giants (i.e;Goliath),while others think they are a cross breed result of humans and fallen angels (or demons).