Gore vs. Bush - The Debate

[Diesel]

As I sit here, not really looking forward to tonight's debate, I find myself thinking that we really don't have a reasonable choice in this year's election.
I know both sides have their favorites, with the Democrats favoring Gore and the Republicans favoring Bush, but if you put party politics aside, what we're really stuck with is the eventuality of having to vote on the lesser of two evils.

Neither candidate is particularly awe inspiring, and neither really seems to have any conviction in their platforms.
Republicans can't possibly imagine something as horrible as a country where Gore could be president, and Democrats can't possibly imagine something as horrible as a country where Bush can be president.
Not really sure exactly what Republicans see Gore as representing (maybe KNSinatra can speak for the Republican view on this, as I know she has strong opinions in that direction), but the gist of what I understand is that most democrats see Bush as somewhat of a fascist.

Myself, I find neither of these candidates to be particularly qualified, and I find myself less agreeing with either than disagreeing with their political views. In fact, I think neither of these candidates really represents what their political parties represent, and I find it frightening that I'm going to be forced to cast a vote for an eventual president that really doesn't represent anything I believe in.
The idea of politicians is that they act as representatives of their constituents in the government level at which they reside. As you climb the ladded from local to national, I find that the people who are elected to represent me actually represent less of anything I believe in.
My local representative in the state government pretty much holds the same ideals as I do, and holds my best interests at heart when he is representing me in the government.
Neither of these presidential candidates really seems to hold anything closely related to my best interests at heart in their representation of me, or us as a nation. Each has their own political agenda which interferes with what I consider to be my best interests, and because of that, I'm quite concerned for the immediate political future of this country.


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"

[possum37]

I hate to say it Dan but I have to agree with you. Career politicians scare me...and the two primary ones we're always hearing about don't fully represent my interests either. Independent candidates would be worth looking into for any of you who aren't fond of the Republican or Democratic choices.

I am actually looking forward to the debate though...not sure why, but I am.

EDIT: Figures, I get an Email from a politically-savvy friend as I'm hitting "post message"...

Al will attempt to get George to use the word “subliminal” If Al is sucessful in doing so George will most likely pronounce it correctly - this time.

Will George start pronouncing the d in “United States”, or will he continue to call it the “Unitehstates” appealing to the hispanic vote... -Or- does he really always pronounce it this way ?!!!

Watch for George’s Charlie Brown imitation. It will be most obvious when he’s on the defensive, serious or attempting to sound earnest: Round head, downturned mouth, narrow slightly sad eyes, even when attempting to smile.

Real issue that will buoy Gore in the poles due to debate: Introduction of RU486 legislation is about to derail Bush campaign and slide a good amount of female votes Gore’s way. Gore won’t miss this chance. According to Shields and Gigot (Lehrer Newshour) this is not the case. Many disagree.

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My knob tastes funny.

<font color="#000000">[Edited by possum37 on October 03, 2000 (edited 1 time)]</font>

[Diesel]

The problem with voting for a 3rd party candidate, Ralph Nader for example, is that it's pretty much a waste of a vote. You know that someone like Nader doesn't stand a chance, and you vote only goes in as only a moral stance, rather than having an impact on the political process.


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"

[jourgenson]

The problem with that attitude is that it is a self fulfilling prophecy. If everyone who had any thought on voting for Nader did, then he would be much closer than you think. And with people then voting for the reform party (I refuse to put that man's name) we would have an intersting election indeed, with no one getting a majority.

However, I do not beleive that green or reform will win, yet. But it could still be a good thing for 2 reasons. First, they would be building other parties for the future. Second, they would be forcing the rep and dems to take into account issues that they have recently been ignoring such as health care and campaign finance reform etc.

That being said I plan on voting for Gore as I don't trust the other people who should be voting for Nader, but will chicken out. Michael Moore made an interesting plea at one point saying that if you were going to vote for Gore, vote but if you weren't planning on voting at all due to a feeling of disfranchisement then vote for Nader or I suppose some other non major party since there is such a large number of non-voters this could have a major effect.

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[possum37]

"It is a far, far better thing I do now, than I have ever done"...

Sometimes taking a moral stance is the best thing to do. And hey, if enough people do it, who knows what might happen. http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

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My knob tastes funny.

[Diesel]

Well, in this particular situation, I don't believe Nader would be a good leader, so he's not getting my vote.
Which leaves me with Tweedledum and Tweedledumber.


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"

[jourgenson]

But might he not be better than the tennessee monotone or the texas hick? Just a question. Speaking of which, what's up with all the southerners and Californians in the Whitehouse as of late? NY where are ye?

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[Diesel]

jourgenson&gt; No, I don't particularly think he would be. He just doesn't come off as a motivator to me. Neither Bush nor Gore really seem to either, but they are more so than Nader, at the very least.

As for the NYers at the national level, look who we have running us! Pataki is actually pretty good, and would probably get my vote if he decided to run for national office. He's done an excellent job in NY State, IMHO.
However, the last decent politicians we had around here were a mayor who ended up on The People's Court and couldn't even do a better job than Wapner, a governor who many suspect has deep ties with the Mafia, and a new mayor who can't keep the police force under control or stay in a the race for Senate without a scandal about his marriage coming up.
Then, on top of that, we have a battle for the Senate in this state that's currently in worse shape than the presidential race. That's an entirely other thread to deal with, but I'll just say this: it's ugly, and it ain't getting any prettier.


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"

[jourgenson]

It may be ugly, but it smells pretty sweet when compared to Mass.http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif As a former Western NYer I would certainly vote for Pataki in a national position to get him out of NY.j/k a bit. He has not been good for the Western portion of the state or for the SUNY system. But maybe he is better now that D'Amato isn't pulling his strings.

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[Diesel]

heh, I didn't even want to mention D'Amato!


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"

[KNSinatra]

I'll be in Boston tonight at the debates...I will give you my personal take on things and observations thereafter. Havent' been able to post much lately b/c I've been working night and day to get 80 people up to the debates, and am encountering more uneccesary conflict than is imaginable. And Poss, don't be so modest -- we all know you're voting for Bush. http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/wink.gif

[JHowse]

Mth! Go register and VOTE! I don't want to hear about any American Soupers not voting. People, you should vote. It's part of what makes us the nation that we are.

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Does driving a car from Saturn make me an alien?

[mthrlangl]

Don't yell at me http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/frown.gif I filled out a form thigum online last night, and I'm hoping that'll get to me in time, although I doubt it. I would love to stop by a town hall or DMV, but by the time I get out of work, they're closed, and I can't go on my lunch hour because I'm making up time for doctor's appointments that I have this week http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/frown.gif

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And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. ~ Rev. 21:4

[mthrlangl]

Before people get mad at me again, let it be said that I *TRIED* to go get a voter registration card today on my way home. The place that had them nearby moved, and I dunno where they went. (Neither does my family, and they lovingly said that since I wasn't voting for Gore, they wouldn't make an effort to look for one. I know they're kidding, but I can't help but think that'll put the subject further from their mind http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/frown.gif ) So if I don't get the internet thigum in time, I'm screwed.

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And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. ~ Rev. 21:4

[mthrlangl]

One of the few things that I retained from my government class was that it all really comes down to the electoral college. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they the ones that really pick the Presiden? I mean, we get to "vote" for who we think is best, but if they don't agree (I can't think of an instance where they haven't, though), they can put someone else in office.

That being said, I think I waited too long to register, so I don't get to vote http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/frown.gif

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And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. ~ Rev. 21:4

[Diesel]

Think that's bad?
How's this for confusing...
I'm registered in New York, living in New Jersey, and I'll be in Arizona on election day, so I have to mail in an Absentee Ballot.


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"

[jourgenson]

KNS&gt;Maybe I'll run into you tonight since you'll be in my neignborhood for these here debates http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif I'll try to avoid that area though so as to not make poss jealous http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/lol.gif

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[KNSinatra]

mthrl, its not too late! go down to your local town hall and register!

yes, look for me on TV at the debates -- I'm the one who is running around like a madwoman, and undoubtedly yelling at the top of her lungs at a lanky albino kid from Yale.

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En fuego, bebe.

[possum37]

Mth &gt; Do post offices have voter registration forms? If you haven't, you might want to check there...

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My knob tastes funny.

[JHowse]

You should be granted personal business time to take care of things like voter registration. That's kind of important. I didn't mean to come across as yelling. I just felt that you should do your part and vote. That's all. http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

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Does driving a car from Saturn make me an alien?

[Pyroxy]

My comments regarding "wasting your vote" by voting 3rd party are: vote your conscious. You won't be sorry.

If people continue not voting their conscious things will never change. I myself do not want the same cronies (?criminals?) who are in there now for another 4-?8? yrs as will be the case if VP-Gumby wins. Between Bush and Gore, I think Bush would be the lesser of 2 evils.

I ask you to please look over this document and consider this platform:
http://www.constitutionparty.org/ustp-99p1.html

Note: Someone I asked to read that freaked over the stand regarding drugs, they mean that it is up to the states and if California says a little weed is legal, then the fed should stay the hell outta their jurisdiction and not overstep their constitutional authority. I also wish they would remove the religious overtones from their platform, this is damaging to their platform in my opinion.


I got a call from an older sounding lady from the Bush camp a few days ago asking me for money. I asked her a few questions regarding Bushs' views and stand on several issues. The 1st question was on American Sovereignty and if we should yield our sovereignty to any foreign bodies to which our only representative is not elected by the people they represent. She would not answer and did a dance around it as I suspected. I made her aware of several issues such as HR1146, PNTR for China and that the calls going into the congressional switchboard were apparently 10-1 against the PNTR/China bill, yet it was passed anyway.

After approximately 15 minutes into the call the lady was completely agreeing with everything I was saying and said that we do not really have a choice of a candidate who can win in this election that WILL return this country to the really great country that it is. I detected that the lady was ready to burst into tears I am sorry to say. I hope she did not lose her job if anyone was listening in on our conversation, because she was being honest with me and not acting in Bushs' best interests.

Oh well, so much for that... Game over... Which 1 of the corporate whore globalists will it be? I predict the oil-puppet Bush will win. The globalists like pro-oil mobsters. I recently heard there is more oil in Alaska alone than in all of Saudi Arabia and Iraq combined, but the bankers can't let us become energy independent because they will lose a lot of control on America if that happens, so they keep us from utilizing it.

Heh, don't get me started... AGAIN !

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Regards,

Pyroxy

Is it time for another Tea Party?

[possum37]

Originally posted by Diesel Dan:
As for voting with your conscience, the only problem I see with it is that, if you're voting for a minor party candidate, there's no way that a minor party candidate, in this day and age, is going to win a presidential election in the USA.
Hence, other than giving you a warm, fuzzy feeling inside for doing the consciously right thing, your vote is wasted because it didn't affect any political change.

Negativist attitudes like that are exactly why people *don't* feel empowered to vote for a 3rd party candidate. Heck, that's the same reason why people won't vote for Bush or Gore. A "Why vote for Bush, Gore's gonna win anyways" attitude *ensures* that Gore will win.

And are votes ever really wasted? If 3rd party candidates get enough votes, won't independents then be able to look back and say "Hey, we didn't win last time, but look at the impressive showing we put on" - and be able to do an even better job of fund-raising after that? And besides, if affecting political change is the benchmark of wasting a vote, then no democrats should vote for Gore, because politically, not much will change. And if Bush wins, well then, in 4 years, all Republicans should vote for another candidate.

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My knob tastes funny.

[KNSinatra]

The mainsteam media has an aversion to informing the American public of the truth, so I will compensate. Mr. Gore's elitist style is, and has always been, "lie now, explain later". But actually, just exculsively the former, as the media never really questions his statements. Let me fill you guys in on some dire truths, and this is sincerely from an informative and factual standpoint.

Mr. Gore's speech was filled with gross inaccuracies, lies, and distortion. Allow me to illuminate a few examples. 1) That sob story about the girl in the Florida school who didn't have a desk for an entire year. FALSE. Even the school's Principal called the media as well as all campaigns minutes after Gore made his statement to clarify the truth. The school he spoke of in his attempt at anecdotal evidence is actually a very well-off school. The girl he spoke of was a new student, joining the class unexpectedly, and because of that, there was no room for her to sit for ONE day. Yes, ONE day. The next day, I assure you, she was provided with adequate conditions! 2) Gore says that he visited Texas during the 1996 Forest fires. FALSE. Mr. Gore never visited Texas for the forest fires, let alone in 1996; rather, he visited briefly in 1998, two years later, during a flood crises. And don't let him make you beleive he did charity work during that visit -- the extend of his time in Texas was an airport plane crossover stop between two fundraisers.

This is the honest to God truth, but he would never let his constituency know it, nor would the media point it out, as it might be detrimental to his campaign. IF anyone here gets Fox News channel, I highly encourage you to watch it, for unbiased, bipartisan news reports and commentary, espeically regarding the debate. That 1% of the "wealthy" (yes Gore used the term wealth 17 times) is a farce as well -- a scare tactic if i ever heard one (that is, in addition to his mediscare threats). I listened to a panel of economists point by point prove Gore's calculations on this 1% figure, to be entirely wrong.

Like I said, Gore lies knowing his debate statements will be remembered by far more voters, than those who pay attention to post-debate commentary!

Gore isn't for public education -- he is for not losing his core teachers-union voter base, who would leave him if he dared question their tenure priviledges. Rather than looking out for the kids, espeically inner city children constrained to inferior inner-city schools which squander their resources and government subsidies, rather than let the children benefit from the money, Gore seeks to please the school beauracracy -- come on, kids can't vote for him, now can theyhttp://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/wink.gif. Think about this -- monopolies are ineffective. They create stagnancy and discourage competition and innovations. I will tell you right now, unabashedly, that our public education system is by far the largest monopoly in our nation! Bush is NOT "for" private education; he simply understands that public school need some incentive to better themselves for the students' sake. Infusions of money do not equal progress; in fact, to your suprise I'm sure, inner city schools are often the largest collectors of money/per pupil! However, the money never gets to the students -- why you may ask? Becuse these school boast uneccessary administrative beauracracies -- 5 "Vice principals" often, whose salaries increase proportionally to the money infused by the government. The money simply does not reach the students in our current system, and it WILL NOT reach them, until public schools have a clear incentive to improve themselves. Not until some sort of school choice is implemented, will we EVER see this happen. George W. Bush is NOT for "private schools" -- he is for improvement, and simply put, giving ineffective public schools who squander their governmental monetary funds (because they have little reason not to at this point), a swift kick in the arse.

Lastly though, just speaking as an individual with atleast a shred of dignity -- how could anyone watch Mr. Gore's elitist and egocentric "I'm rolling my eyes at you, and scoffing at any opposition I might face, including mid-sentace rebuttals" style, and feel comfortable knowing that this individual, who knowingly misleads the public for immediate gain, would be a good leader? I'm personally looking forward to an honest, straight forward leader for a change - and a Secretary of State Colin Powell, and Secretary of Defense John McCain, arent shabby perks either.
Ok, have to get back to work...I will undoubtedly be back REAL soon http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/supergrin.gif


Let me finish this by conveying one more typical Gore move. As I like to keep abreast of all issues, and be well-informed, I did in fact read Mr. Gore's book. In his book, pro-environment Gore (which I respect, I am for the enviroment too) discusses how High Gas prices are a WONDERFUL thing. Why? Because, common-sensibly, high gas prices encourage people to utilize alternative energy sources which are more enviromentally friendly. Sounds pretty good up to this point, and pretty Gore-ish, no? Well, then. Take this newest "we must release our oil reserves because high gas prices are horrible and unfair" touted in recent days by the SAME Mr. Gore. Running for office, uncoincidentally. Atleast stick by your priciples. I have no respect for this man.
KNS

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En fuego, bebe.



<font color="#000000">[Edited by KNSinatra on October 05, 2000 (edited 2 times)]</font>

[KNSinatra]

And, by the way Pyroxy --

Yes, we wouldn't be dependent on OPEC, nor Saudi countries if people like Al Gore and Clinton would permit us to tap our own Alaskan natural resources. The places where they would need to drill in Alaska are in regions so barren, that even professional and well-documented enviromental scientists can attest to the fact they do not pose enviromental concerns nor risks. But the Democrats refuse to turn off their environmentalist voting-support base, by saying something that might be perceived as environmentally-unfriendly, so we have not used our natural resources. Instead, they politicize it -- releasing our oil reserves (something unheard of other than in times of dire emergency), to make Al Gore come out looking like the patron saint of low gas prices. They created this mess, and selfishly perpetuate it for personal gain.

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<font color="#000000">[Edited by KNSinatra on October 05, 2000 (edited 3 times)]</font>

[Beaker]

When I see Bush I think of that movie "The Dead Zone" when the maniacal president of the USA says "gentlemen, let the missiles fly, alleuliah, alleuliah." What I dont get, and this is coming from a democrat, is why the Republicans rolled over and let this legacy "Son of Bush" run on the ticket. I am voting gore, but McCain would have trounced Gore, IMHO.

Beaker

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My social security number makes me unique.

http://www.popflux.com

[Diesel]

KNSinatra&gt; This is totally NOT a slight towards your post, but rather stems from my extreme distrust of ALL politicians...

When you post something like "Mr. Gore's speech was filled with gross inaccuracies, lies, and distortion", I have absolutely no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Bush told just as many lies as Gore did. There's a reason that politicians have the stereotype of being liars... BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE!!!

Also, when you say "The mainsteam media has an aversion to informing the American public of the truth, so I will compensate", you're really not compensating at all, since your "truth" is backed with ulterior movitation. Also, I don't particularly count on the mainstream media to tell ANY truth. They haven't done so in years. Nothing's new in your statement that hadn't already been common knowledge.

Politicians have a way of clouding the "truth" with their motives, and you've shown that you're going to do very well in your chosen field. http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

Having read through your post, I now feel like I know no more of the truth than I did before. The reason is that you pointed out all of the points that Gore lied on, but conveniently left out all of the points that Bush lied on. And please don't try to tell me that he didn't lie about anything, because he would've been the very first politician running for president in the history of this country that hadn't.

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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"

[Diesel]

From watching the debate the other night, I've figured out a few things.
Bush stands for:
Industry
Pro-Life
The Wealthiest 1%
Economic consolidation
Private Education

Gore stands for:
The Environment
Pro-Choice
The Middle Class
Economic expansion
Public Education

Does this seem accurate to everyone?
My personal opinion is that I don't think either one of them will be particularly effective as a president. I don't what Pyroxy meant by "return this country to the really great country that it is", but seeing as how Pyroxy and I seem to have completely diametrically opposed political views, it makes me nervous to think of what he sees Bush as doing to "return this country to the really great country that it is".

As for voting with your conscience, the only problem I see with it is that, if you're voting for a minor party candidate, there's no way that a minor party candidate, in this day and age, is going to win a presidential election in the USA.
Hence, other than giving you a warm, fuzzy feeling inside for doing the consciously right thing, your vote is wasted because it didn't affect any political change.


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"

[WaterB]

bush didn't seem particularly prepared for the debate.. some of the issues he fudged around. I cracked up everytime he said fuzzy math though http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

Most of the time I lean toward the republican party.. but there were a couple issues bush was adopting which concerns me..

1. Not enough money going toward military.. If what gore (and tonite liberman) claimed was true.. then i'm very dissapointed.. We need enough money pumped into the military to maintain the forces as well as R&D.. which from gore.. bush is planning on cutting all that..
2. Bush's "solution" to the energy problem.. Sure opening up territory in Alaska sounds like a good idea but that doesn't solve the problem.. I think Gore had a good idea.. work on the consumer side.. more hybird/battery cars.. alternative sources for heating.. It's imperative that we get this done.. we could've done this since the mid-80's but nothing's moving.. I highly doubt Bush will go down this path since he is from Texas.. where all the US Crude Oil tycoons are..

*sigh*.. i dunno.. both candidates seem underpar.. this election yr's sooooo.. important.. 4 supreme court justices are going to be appointed.. scary that it's bush/gore that's gonna be picking them.. AHHH!...

I'd like to hear comments from you guys about my 2 concerns.. (heh.. there's actually more but i don't wanna bore you guys http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif )

[Diesel]

I wouldn't count on their picks for Supreme Court doing any major activity while they're in office.
Look at Clarence Thomas, for example. Has his appointment had any major impact recently?
Typically, Supreme Court Justices are about 10 years behind when it comes to invoking their agendas. At most, a president can only be in office for 8 years.
Look for Thomas to start making an impact within the next 3 years, and don't expect anyone appointed within the next 2 years to have any immediate impact until whomever gets elected is already out of office.


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
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[jourgenson]

I would agree that military, energy and SC justices are some of the most important issues.

It seems like neither candidate wants to cut back the military in the way that it needs to be cut. We already are spending a much higher percentage of our GDP than any other industrialized nation and have the highest GDP. Plus we have we capacity to destroy most or all of the world with our arsenal. We certainly should be able to protect ourselves with a military budget of about half of its currect rate and still spend more than anyone else.

Bush's energy plan is just a temporary fix. Just like releasing some of the reserves was. We need to start moving more towards "alternative" energy sources. It really doesn't matter where we look for oil since the sources are inherently finite.

The Supreme Court is a bit tricky as DD suggested. First off, the justices have not concretely stated that they will leave the bench. Second it is always a fight with congress as to who gets accepted. Third, there is no guarantee that the justice will even side with the president on the "litmus test" issues (read as abortion) once they take the job and no longer require "politics" for job security. Teddy Roosevelt was very dissapointed with Oliver Wendall Holmes and I seem to recall Nixon also being dissapoint with an appointment. Lots of variables invloved. That being said, I still hope that Bush never gets the opportunity to make an appointmet.

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[WaterB]

someone was telling me that the more conservative justices that were thinking about retiring won't if gore became prez.. *shrug* dunno.. another rumor i guess

[WaterB]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/Gore_exagged
that'll back kns up

[Diesel]

WaterB&gt; Get a 404 File Not Found with that link.
Could you possibly find the story you're referring to and post the new link?


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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
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[WaterB]

sorry...
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/Gore_exaggerate001006.html

[Diesel]

Interesting, but it's really frightening to see that objective news reporting has gone the way of the dodo.

Yes, we all know Gore lied. It's a pretty safe bet that Bush lied as well.
I read at least 3 instances within that article where the author's loyalties are revealed. I'm only 26, but I remember when it was unheard of to clearly be on one side in a news article. Not one place in the article is it even mentioned that any of Bush's comments were investigated, whether to verify or dispute them.

I might expect this from some small publication, but this is from ABC, one of the largest media organizations in the world. To see this degree of bias in reporting is exactly why no one trusts the mainstream media to tell us the truth anymore.

Whatever happened to unbiased reporting? Telling both sides of the story? I suggest the author take an Ethics in Journalism course at his local community college.

On another note, there's some balanced reporting at another page on ABC's site: http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/debate001003_truthsquad.html

Sorry WaterB, forgot to thank you for hunting that down.
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spidergoolash: "heh, a cup of diesel dan - mwahhha"
me: "heh, a cup of me is like a cup of heaven!"

<font color="#000000">[Edited by Diesel Dan on October 08, 2000 (edited 1 time)]</font>

[WaterB]

different issue.. you guys think the 2nd amendment will virually die if Gore picks the supreme court justices? http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/smile.gif

[SwImMeRs]

I've been reading through all the response and you all have vaild points...I on the other hand with some of you...choose to look at the candidates not as a party...but as what they can do for our country...I would vote if I could...but I'm probably the youngest here at this forum...or so it seems...so i can't vote!! But if I could I would vote for Bush! I have watched every debate...looked at what each cand. has to offer..and in my opinion he has the better ticket...serisouly though...nothing against the people who are voting for Al Gore...but if he wins...I'll be joining PsychoticIckyThing in Australia!! http://www.aliensoup.com/ubb/smilies/supergrin.gif

[meezercat]

I doubt there's a politician out there who hasn't told a few whoppers in his/her day. I don't care. I'm used to it.

Let's see.
"Read My Lips. No New Taxes." LIE.
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman." Not even gonna go there.

I'm going by track records more so than what these guys say.

[Pyroxy]

People need to hold these government officials (elected AND appointed) to their swarn oath of office. When they do something that goes against it send them a copy of their oath (they did sign and put 1 on public file eh?) and highlight the portions of their oath they violated along with the items that were in violation. I wonder if civil actions against them personally based on their swarn oath is a feasible approach?

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Regards,

Pyroxy

Is it time for another Tea Party?

[Rumsfeld™]

After reading all of this, I wonder, who here did not see the double term Bush victory coming? And don't tell me youd've moved to Canada, because according to Mad Magazine statistics, "Of all the people who said "If Bush wins, I'm moving to Canada," only 0.01% actually moved there."

;D

[GoingNova]

"Read My Lips. No New Taxes." LIE.


Actually, his mistake was signing the bill. The fact is, the House and the Senate had enough votes to override his veto to raise taxes, so he thought he might as well sign the bill instead of waste time. He should have forced them to override his veto. Technically, yes, he raised taxes, but the implecation that he lied to do is is unjust. He did "The Right Thing" and it cost him the second election. That line, and Perot, gave Clinton the White House. :(

[GoingNova]

"If Bush wins, I'm moving to Canada," only 0.01% actually moved there.";D

Let em go! If they think over an over 50% Tax Rate, and a horrible health care system is great, hasta la vista! As for me? I prefer my MRI's in the same year that I injury myself! :lol:

[Rumsfeld™]

As for me? I prefer my MRI's in the same year that I injury myself! :lol:
I agree...That is definitely one of the many medical miricles the U.S. has led the way in for many many of its citizens. In some countries they don't even exist, and some patients fly here.

[ImmortalTec]

bush is the worst prez ever. not gonna debate. he is

[Rumsfeld™]

bush is the worst prez ever. not gonna debate. he is
In order to make a generalization you need 2 things: evidence & reasoning

[ImmortalTec]

evidence: war reasonig: evil

[Rumsfeld™]

war may be evil, but just because a President supports one doesn't make him evil or the worst one ever. Lots of Presidents before Bush have waged war & other 'evil' doings.

[ImmortalTec]

well he sucks more than them i just dont like to debate

[Rumsfeld™]

well he sucks more than them i just dont like to debate
oh ok, it's just a personal opinion. I see...I kinda felt that way about Bill Clinton ;D

[ImmortalTec]

do u think ure duin a good job (Donald Rumsfeld lol)

[GoingNova]

well he sucks more than them i just dont like to debate

Well, if he sucks more, then I see your point. :confused:

If Iraq works out, Bush is going to be remembered as one of the greatest Presidents of all time. Personally, I respect him because he does what he thinks is right. Gore was a "which way is the wind blowing" type of guy. He tells you what you want to hear. Bush says it all the time, at least you know where he stands. Love him or hate him, you should at least give him credit for that.

[psi]

Gore who??????

[monsieurjohn]

Gore Verbinski (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0893659/)

he directed pirates of the caribbean

...duh :tongue:

[psi]

...duh :tongue:

Oh yeah...... :ohboy:
It makes sense now.
It's so natural!
Heeheee thanks MJ!

Actually my line was to person who brought back thread.
He didn't win. Why still debate about someone who frankly isn't doing anything. And I'll say it again....

Gore who???

[monsieurjohn]

agreed. both Gore and the person who revived this thread are no longer around, so I'm gonna close it.