View Full Version : Should the US give temporary legal status to undocumented immigrants?
GoingNova
06-09-2005, 04:37 PM
Should the US give temporary legal status to undocumented immigrants already in the country so they may work without fear of arrest or deportation?
No. Put our own unemployed people back to work first.
pink_beliefs
06-09-2005, 04:42 PM
I don't know if I can choose a side on this issue. On one side, the life they have there may be much better than from whereever it is that they are from. However, they are illegally in a country, and are taking jobs from people whom are born there or have legally moved there.
GoingNova
06-09-2005, 04:44 PM
No, they are here ILLEGALLY. Their first action in this country is to break the law. Accepting them is a kick in the face to the millions of LEGAL immigrants from all over the world who have worked hard, obeyed the law, and have become citizens of the United States LEGALLY. I SAY STOP REWARDING ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR!
piotrskut
06-09-2005, 04:44 PM
similar sitution here in the uk, the government bend over backwards to give immigrants houses, money etc, and yet we have thousands of people sleeping on the streets
pink_beliefs
06-09-2005, 04:47 PM
I understand, and one of the things that bothers me the most about Canadian immigration is that sometimes peope sneak into Canada, land jobs, and after a while declare refugee status and can stay here indefinately! It really does tick me off... hmm... Well I think I know which side of the issue I'm on now. And I totally agree that governments should focus on situations and issues they have at home before providing aid elsewhere.
How true. I don't understand it at all. Everyone has the right to a decent life - that goes without saying but this country must focus on taking care of its own. We don;t do a very good job of that at all. Look at our elderly - some eat dog and cat food because they can't afford anything else due to exorbitant medical bills and the price of a prescription.
Sicander
06-09-2005, 05:56 PM
Its realy bad here in washington. In this state we give state ID cards and Drivers lisences to illegal immagrants and, becuase we dont check for photo ID or any other kind of identification at the ballot box, we even allow illegal aliens the right to vote! ITS HORRIBLE! Illegal imagrants have almost MORE rights than legal ones! I think some of the hardest working most industrious people are immagrants, but those ones are here legaly!
Rascal
06-10-2005, 08:27 AM
i hate to judge a whole group of people. yes they came to a country illegally, but it could have been for a very good reason, their lives in wherever they came from were obviously bad enough that they took the risk to leave and go somewhere else. i'm willing to wager that most of these people are only "illegal" immigrants because the immigration policies are very stringant (from what i understand). countries in general don't want to bring in people that don't have a wealth of money already, is it fair to do that? i don't think so. so i guess i'm falling on the side of being PRO giving these people temporary legal status. the initial immigration to me, while illegal, doesn't prove to me that this is a bad person not worthy of seeking a better life...it shows me someone willing to take a huge risk and better themselves, maybe i'm just an optimist about people though. until you prove to me through some other act that you are a drain on the system, or a criminal, stay and be marry.
the whole issue of helping people at home first...you can't help people that don't want help. i see way too many of these people on the streets of toronto. they sit there and they beg, if they really wanted to not be doing that, there is a mcdonalds down the street hiring, go make something of yourself. if an immigrant, illegal or not, is willing to take that job and better him/herself than it shouldn't be beyond you to do either. a government can only do SO much to help these people if they are not willing to put in the effort to make something of themselves.
GoingNova
06-10-2005, 08:59 AM
Well Rascal, we agree to disagree. :eusa_ange Millions upon millions of immigrants come to the United States LEGALLY. Accepting those who come illegally is a kick in the face to those who have come legally. Besides, the fact is, NO COUNTRY can support unlimited immigration, which is why they have rules and immigration laws in the first place. If we accepted anyone and everyone, without any rules or regulations, then everyone (or a very large chunk) would come here, and the country can not support that. Sad? Maybe, but just a simple fact.
I say, deport anyone here illegally. The first thing you do in a new country should not be to disregard and break it's laws.
Lil Bit
06-10-2005, 09:00 AM
HELL NO!
Nightwolf04
06-10-2005, 01:48 PM
I'm not sure about this. I mena I'm sort of siding with everyone here, yes they have broken the law and they should be deported, but what as rascal said, if they come froma country where they are worse off? isn't everyone equal?? so shouldn't they get fair amounts jsut as everyone else.
I'm jsut not sure.
But this gives me an idea for a post.
Lil Bit
06-10-2005, 01:59 PM
Living in a border state this is a really touchy subject for me as I am sure for others who are in the same boat. I have voiced my opinion on this at many different sites over many years and get the same thing. I get called a racist and ridiculed because of my output on this subject. I am not a racist. It's one thing to be down on your luck and legally move to another country and legally get a job. But it is a completely different thing to do this illegally and take jobs that should otherwise go to people who have not cheated and are not cheating the system. Another thing, as far as education goes, I had to go to three different schools to put my child in Pre-k. Come to find out that if you don't speak english you are an automatic shoe in. There was no room for my child in 2 schools because of this, but for anyone who isn't even supposed to be here you get the red carpet to school everyday.
Just forget it.
Rascal
06-10-2005, 02:02 PM
i see what you are saying nova, of course unrestricted immigration would not be good. but what i am saying is that these illegal immigrants are looking for a chance to succeed. they are coming from exceedingly poor conditions (if they weren't, they would either stay or have the money to come legally) and wanting nothing more than a chance. i say give them that chance. if it turns out that they want nothing more than to be on welfare and be a drain on the system, get out, plain and simple. maybe it would be a trial system, give them a year to get established with a residence and a job. in this case the economy would support itself, if there aren't any jobs to be had then obviously they won't get one. if they end up with no job and no permanent residence after a year give them the boot. i know a lot of people do probably try that (being a drain on the system), and i in no way can condone that type of behaviour. but for those that just want to enrich their lives, there are much worse people out there and they too are immigrating legally.
i feel the same goes for those born in the states/canada/wherever. if you are just being a drain on the system then you have no place being a part of that system. just the way i feel...if you aren't contributing than you shouldn't benefit, i don't know that kicking these people out is the way to go, but something has to be done about them. i suppose that's a debate for another thread tho'...
Lil Bit
06-10-2005, 03:55 PM
*runs into the romm and yells "booga booga booga" and shakes head wildley*
Just lightening the mood!
Klashbash
06-10-2005, 10:29 PM
Deportation is a waste of time and money, I say we use a firing squad. They know they risk their lives coming here, they get what is coming to them.
hell no we should send them back
any one that cant come here legally and pay taxes like us should go back!
piotrskut
06-11-2005, 04:23 AM
I agree with you there Nova, in the UK we have the people that came here after WWII, I think the idea was to let people come over to help rebuild the country, the city's that were bombed. The majority of these people went on to do various things, open shops, become doctors, dentists or set up their own business'. These people are now at retirement age and in the main their sons/daughters have followed in their footsteps, they work for a living and actually contribute towards the country. Unfortunately these days we have both legal and illegal immigrants coming into the country that couldn't care less about the country, they have heard that we are a soft touch and if they come here they will get free midical care, somewhere to live and various benfits. Can you believe that we have a Muslim preacher that stands in the middle of the street every week saying that he hates the British and the Americans, making referneces to Bin Laden and 9/11 and how he wants a Jihad against the 'hated opressors' (The British people). This guy actually walked into a Toyota garage and got himself a $45,000 Previa MPV, it cost this much beacause he wanted Tv's in the back amongst other things. Guess who paid for this? We did with the money that the government take off us every payday. Our Foreign Secretary was slated recently for suggesting that any immigrants that want to come into the country should learn to speak English and actually prove that they are willing to contribute to the country when they are here. Whats wrong with that? If people are willing to work and not sponge off the state, fair enough, if they aren't, don't let them in.
OK - Mustang and Cyborg's stands are pretty much the way I feel - I don't condone shooting anyone, but if you come here illegally, you should pay the price. I'm sick of seeing tax dollars wasted on inefficient border patrols - I believe these people work as hard and best they can in doing their jobs, but it's an endless circle. The US needs to adopt strick and touch laws and STICK TO THEM!!! I know we wouldn't be the country we are now without immigration, but things have gotten way out of control. Take care of our OWN FIRST!!!:flag-usa:
chica_dulce_04
06-12-2005, 02:15 AM
Well deporting them is a waste of time, but then again we can't just shoot people either. I mean, then if any americans crossed over into mexico or other hispanic countries, they would probably go crazy on us. No telling what they would do to americans in their country even if we're just visiting. It's crazy though for us to just shoot them. I do believe that they shouldn't be over here in the United States unless they have the legal documention. That I believe is wrong for them to be smuggled over here and for us to poor millions of dollars into keeping them out. Then again look around. Everywhere you go there seem to be illegal aliens here in the United States. It's getting harder for teenagers to find jobs straight of high school because illegals will work for less and will work longer hours. In the long run, the american people are getting screwed. Then again the government isn't capable of coming up with a proper solution. And even if they did, they wouldn't try to enforce it or something would go wrong because our government is good at that. I think they're nothing but idiots so how are they going to come up with a good solution for this whole ordeal. They can't. The american people to think about it and let the government know what they should do. Pretty soon the state of texas (my home state) will be nothing but illegals. That to me is a depressing thought, but what can we do?
Good post there, chica. It's true - this country is inefficient at keeping illegals out. My neighbor down the road has a group of them working at his house right now - they work like animals under just about any condition, take hardly any breaks and don't stop until the job is done, and done well. They work for very modest wages, too. They're very nice people, but jobs are being taken away from our own. The VERY SAD part of this is that you can't find anyone else to do as great a job and be as conscientious about their work.
poisonedwolf0110
06-12-2005, 08:13 PM
Ok, look, here is my opinion and i know this is gonna piss some people off, but what the hell. I think the us has enough damn immigrants. So my answer is no. I'm not exactly racist, but come on. I can't even go to the store without having some Mexican eye me. And more than once I've had to deal with them whistling at me. And I'm 15 for god's sake, i try to use the buddy system when i can, but i prefer to be alone for the most part. I live where there aren't as many as other places but this is ridiculous. I say screw the damn immigrants, let them stay somewhere else. Because they'll work for less, actual Americans lose their jobs to them. Then there will be more chances for them to eye others! Not only girls. Remember guys, just because they're Mexican doesn't mean they're straight!
poisonedwolf0110
06-12-2005, 08:19 PM
Ok, look, here is my opinion and i know this is gonna piss some people off, but what the hell. I think the us has enough damn immigrants. So my answer is no. I'm not exactly racist, but come on. I can't even go to the store without having some Mexican eye me. And more than once I've had to deal with them whistling at me. And I'm 15 for god's sake, i try to use the buddy system when i can, but i prefer to be alone for the most part. I live where there aren't as many as other places but this is ridiculous. I say screw the damn immigrants, let them stay somewhere else. Because they'll work for less, actual Americans lose their jobs to them. Then there will be more chances for them to eye others! Not only girls. Remember guys, just because they're Mexican doesn't mean they're straight!
chica_dulce_04
06-12-2005, 09:00 PM
well poisonedwolf, I do agree that we don't need any more immigrants here. I for one had a hell of a time finding a job when I was in high school... and I too have had to suffer through the "eyeing" so I know exactly how irritating it is. Me I'm an independent person so I go everywhere by myself so I deal with the "eyeing" on a daily basis... So I feel you completely on that subject. It's irritating as hell. I don't think we need any more immigrants either. They have their own country... why don't they stay there? :flag-usa:
smo1704
06-12-2005, 10:10 PM
Why bother making a distinction between legal and illegal immigration if you are ultimately going to grant illegal immigrants legal status? All this does is send the message that we have no intention of enforcing immigration laws.
chica_dulce_04
06-12-2005, 10:12 PM
Exactly. That's why we don't need anymore immigrants. Period.
Klashbash
06-13-2005, 06:28 PM
Responding to chica dulce 04...
Well deporting them is a waste of time, but then again we can't just shoot people either.
Sure we can.
I mean, then if any americans crossed over into mexico or other hispanic countries, they would probably go crazy on us.
LOL, in fact the Mexico border security is a lot more secure than our own and their rules are a hell of a lot stricter. The Mexico government still hates us for taking their land but they certainly aren’t going to not let Americans in because we generate a lot of profit for them.
No telling what they would do to americans in their country even if we're just visiting. It's crazy though for us to just shoot them.
It’s all about the profit motive. Unless they want to become even weaker than they are now which is not the goal of any corrupt government such as theirs, they will continue to let Americans in. Why is it crazy?
Then again the government isn't capable of coming up with a proper solution.
I have, shoot them on sight.
And even if they did, they wouldn't try to enforce it or something would go wrong because our government is good at that.
Shooting illegals on sight is not hard to enforce. In fact there would be a lot of citizens who would volunteer for free.
That to me is a depressing thought, but what can we do?
We can hire more border security, update equipment and have signs everywhere saying “Trespassers will be shot on sight, survivors will be shot again.” Deportation is a “Sorry, please try again.” deal.
I have to say again, Cyborg that for the MOST part, I agree with you. Just can't get that shoot on sight thing down - yes, it would solve a lot of problems, but then we'd have people going around shooting others who "look" illegal.
Klashbash
06-14-2005, 03:08 PM
They would be thrown in jail. Next question.
pink_beliefs
06-14-2005, 03:19 PM
Cyborg... I'm not sure if your serious or not... I kind of laughed nervously reading that. You would just randomly shoot them? What about the Canadian/US Border?
Next question is who'll be left after a while?
Sicander
06-14-2005, 06:04 PM
First Officer: Hes Making a taco!
Blam!
Hes got a funny accent!!
Blam Blam!
Hes wereing a sombrero!
Blam Blam Blam!
Look over there he's drinking Carona!
Blam Blam click plink plink plink BOOOM!
Second Officer: Sir this is Azteca
First Officer: Oh oops
(This is where shoot on site gets us, blown up Aztecas. I like Azteca. I support deportation but darn it don't take my dining options with it! Next youll be after Qdoba mexican grill. Then we got problems bub!)
ANGLOIRISH
06-14-2005, 06:20 PM
:eusa_ange If we accepted anyone and everyone, without any rules or regulations, then everyone (or a very large chunk) would come here, and the country can not support that. Sad? Maybe, but just a simple fact.
I say, deport anyone here illegally. The first thing you do in a new country should not be to disregard and break it's laws.
Would you be willing to make an exception to the rule and accept an open door policy for American-loving Canadians who are suffering under a tryranical bilingual dictatorship?
I love Canadians - I'm part Canadian myself!
GoingNova
06-14-2005, 10:32 PM
I love ANY immigrant who comes here legally, and obeys the law. :eusa_ange
Klashbash
06-15-2005, 03:51 PM
Responding to pink_beliefs…
You would just randomly shoot them? What about the Canadian/US Border?
Anyone who is running across the border is obviously trying to get over here illegally. Same deal.
Responding to mrsd607…
Next question is who'll be left after a while?
Citizens of the U.S.
Lil Bit
06-15-2005, 03:54 PM
I love ANY immigrant who comes here legally, and obeys the law. :eusa_ange
Nicely said!
pink_beliefs
06-15-2005, 04:02 PM
Anyone who is running across the border is obviously trying to get over here illegally. Same deal.
I am *very* happy that california and Canada are seperated... I wouldn't want to run across the border if your state was anywhere near us.. Not that I would now, but your idea isn't very welcoming.
mrsd: which part? lol... I joke, I joke...
Klashbash
06-15-2005, 06:25 PM
My idea isn't fluffy bunnies with rainbows but it is the only realistic solution.
Sicander
06-15-2005, 07:34 PM
Hmm fluffy bunies with rainbows? THATS THE PERFECT SOLUTION!
Oh, Cyborg - I can't say that I disagree with you - you're not "wrong", just not globally friendly. You shut out too many options. Don't think I don't understand you - I DO!! There's GOT to be a happy medium here....
deadpool
06-16-2005, 01:38 AM
hmm i like the fluffy bunnies thing, that sounds good.
Klashbash
06-16-2005, 07:34 AM
When you truly think about it... it does actually sound like a reasonable option. Hey mrsd607, you're telling me I'm shutting out all these options but have yet to tell me the options.
Rascal
06-16-2005, 08:14 AM
i think i'm kinda scared of you insane_cyborg :). while the shooting option would definately stop or at least drastically reduce illegal immigration, i mean, you just can't do that in a civilized country. it's akin to giving them the death sentence while rapists and murders don't get that (don't start arguing that they should...that's a totally different topic...suffice to say that for now it is a fact). i don't see that anything could be done differently than what is going on now besides tightening security at the "taco curtain".
however, as i've said, i think that these people SHOULD be given a chance. i don't see any problem with diversifying a country. isn't that capitalism? the cream rise to the top? if you are willing to make something of yourself, by all means go for it, who are we to say who gets that opportunity. if you aren't willing, get out and go live in squallor. now, having said this the immigrants would have to be on level terms with everyone else and would NOT be allowed to work for cheaper and thereby screw up the economy. it would also help if the world wasn't in just generally racist. am i making sense? i feel like i'm rambling...
Lil Bit
06-16-2005, 08:39 AM
You started rambling after " i think ".
Kiddin hun. It does make sense.
ANGLOIRISH
05-03-2006, 04:29 PM
Whatever! Get a room!
Alton589
05-04-2006, 07:25 AM
Awww no Hell No!!! If they are Illegal they are criminals period!!!!!
Chrisl0
05-04-2006, 11:44 AM
I agree, put them on a bus or boat and get them out of here. They got no right to be here and put more of a strain on the country.
ANGLOIRISH
10-15-2006, 07:39 PM
I am sure there are some good ones. They need to follow the legal steps to enter however.
Those legal steps can be quite stringent and costly - the way they should be. Too many circumvent the rules, and getting away with it. My vote is NO - no temporary ANYTHING without documentation. It just isn't fair to the rest of the world.