Michael Jackson: guilty or innocent?

[GoingNova]

Do you think Michael Jackson will be found guilty of child molestation?

[M@Broz]

Hopefully. Lets be real :eek:

[monsieurjohn]

couldn't care less

*grumble*

[MrsD]

We have to make a grumble icon for reflex...

No, I don't think Michael Jackson will be found guilty. Do I beleive he is? OH, YEAH. That's one sick little cookie Mrs. Jackson spawned. He'll be aquitted just in time for him to do it all over again.

[GoingNova]

I am not so sure about that. We will have to wait and see, but I am betting on a guilty verdict.

[monsieurjohn]

i'm content with saying *grumble* ;)

if we learned anything from OJ Simpson, he'll spend the rest of his golfing days looking for the real molester

[GoingNova]

OJ's jury had members interested in jury nullification, as well as a moron for a judge. So far, it does not seem like Michael will be so lucky.

[MrsD]

I dunno, Nova. reflex may be right. I'd love to see the creep-a-zoid convicted and sent to prison to take it up the cooley, but I don't have too much faith in that. He'll be exonerated and allowed to fly back to the Land of the Lost Boys.

[monsieurjohn]

I'd love to see the creep-a-zoid convicted and sent to prison to take it up the cooley
he'd probably enjoy that.....

this book i've been reading has a chapter about domestic abuse, and uses the OJ Simpson case as an example. The author was an expert witness at the case, and ALL the signs and warnings of domestic violence/murder were there, except for evidence of the actual crime. here's a couple paragraphs:

They told us, "Just because a man beats his wife doesn't mean he killed her," and that's true. But what's that got to do with OJ Simpson, who beat his wife, broke into her home, threatened her (at least once with a gun), terrorized her, and stalked her? That behavior puts him very near the center of the predictive circle for wife murder.

The Scheme Team's observation is a little like saying, "Just because someone buys dough doesn't mean he's going to make pizza," and that's true, but if he buys dough, spreads it around on a tin tray, adds tomato sauce, adds cheese, and puts it in the oven, then, even if Simpson lawyer Alan Dershowitz tells you differently, you can be comfortable predicting that pizza is being made.
The Gift of Fear, Gavin de Becker, 1997
I'm worried (and fairly confident) that something like this will happen. The evidence is there, but without enough proof someone this high-profile will not be punished. Hundreds of identical, lower-profile cases like this doubtless end in conviction every year.

But there's only one way to find out, and that's to wait and see.

[GoingNova]

While certainly believe that it is possible, I am going to still try and keep the faith, and say I think he will be found guilty. Again, I fall back on the jury and the judge OJ had: both allowed the travesty of justice to come to fruition. A better judge would not have allowed some the antics that went on, and a smarter jury would have seen through the nonsense. So far the judge in this case seems competent, and the jury does not have any overt signs of stupid. Ultimately though, we can just sit back and wait.

Who is worse though, Michael Jackson, or some of his mindless drone fans who will not even tolerate the thought of him being guilty! Hmmmm.

[MrsD]

Sorry, Nova - love ya to pieces but I'm siding with reflex on this one. He's right on here. As far as what's WORSE - the adoring fan or the creep - it's the creep every time! The fans will disappear once the creep is put away - they, like the flies they are, will asail upon another piece of **** and forget all about their previous source of gratification.

[ritzy]

i dont think its going to matter if hes found guilty or innocent there is going to be a high percentage of people that wont beleive either result

[SALly]

Who cares? No one will ever know the real truth. Just like with OJ, just like with all the steroid and baseball commotion-- it doesn't matter what people say- no one will believe it anyway. That's what all the publicity causes--- distrust in the system.

[M@Broz]

Who cares? No one will ever know the real truth. Just like with OJ, just like with all the steroid and baseball commotion-- it doesn't matter what people say- no one will believe it anyway. That's what all the publicity causes--- distrust in the system.

I dont think thats entirely true. Like with the steroids... you can basically tell that they used it and its not what the players dont say, its what the players dont say and how they avoid the questions which makes them look guilty. Barry bonds basically told everyone he used steroids, and Maguire just wasn't responding to certain questions on purpose. Either way... these players are the best that the league has ever seen, which is sad. I doubt they'll ever make it to the Hall of Fame. Even if Bonds doesn't actually retire.

[SALly]

I don't know. The whole Maguire thing is weird. Obviously not saying anything makes him look guilty, but he had to had seen that coming. I just wonder what the motives are. If he said he never used them, would anyone believe it?

[GoingNova]

i dont think its going to matter if hes found guilty or innocent there is going to be a high percentage of people that wont beleive either result

Nicely said!

[GoingNova]

If he said he never used them, would anyone believe it?

I wouldn't. The problem is, what do you do now? Do you start testing and overturning records? It is a tough situation.

[SALly]

Yeah you're right- it's tough.

[M@Broz]

Well heres my view on it. If I was accused of using steroids... and knew i was innocent... i'd volunteer for the tests... wouldn't you?

[SALly]

Of course- but that's not the situation for Maguire.

[greyscale42]

Hes a pop culture icon. Theres a very slim chance he'll be convicted.

[dontbanurse]

I think that he will be charged but not convicted. Hell look at Martha Stewart! Was that jail?

[MrsD]

What Martha Stewart did (and I BELIEVE she did it) pales in comparison (unfortunately) to what Michael Jackson is accused of. This is a very sick, twisted individual. There is something WRONG here, people - take "his children" away from him before he does them any more emotional damage. THEN lock him up for what I'm sure he will be accused of doing.

[Nightwolf04]

I agree Mrsd I believe that mj did actually do this. But why?? I guess it's something we probably won't find out

[Rascal]

do you really WANT to know why he would do something like this? i know i don't.

as an aside does anyone watch the re-enactment of the trial?? man is that some funny stuff

[Nightwolf04]

No because it's annoying. I don't want to know but it would help me udnerstand i suppose.

[Rascal]

let's start spouting psycho-babble lol. i got 2:1 odds he did it because of his insane, ridiculous amount of celebrity. he can't be with anyone that knew him as part of the jackson 5, or as a solo artist. so that limits his potential mates to anyone born after like 1990 lol. he can't go outside, have you seen the mobs where ever he goes?? it's insane. he can't step foot anywhere without like 10,000 people following his every move. all that attention has got to mess you up in the head.

[Nightwolf04]

Good point....but you shouldn't become famous in the first place I know I wont

[Rascal]

it's not his fault that he became THE pop music icon of a generation and that an entire planet fell in love with him. i doubt he wants to have to put his kids heads under towels when they go out so that they won't have their pictures taken so that they can lead normal lives (in theory) eventually. but the fact is that it happened to him and it must have messed him up. he underwent all that surgery to "fix" his nose 'cuz it was too big or something. now he doesn't look human. he musta got that idea from somewhere, or that's how he ended up coping with his celebrity, trying to become "perfect". he has (or had) more money than he could shake a stick at. everybody on the planet loved him, but i doubt that anyone could say 2 words to him that weren't "OH MY GOD!! MICHAEL MICHAEL!" only kids would be out of it enough to not care who he was. i can see why he would want them around for that aspect. but there are more appropriate ways to have kids around, and obviously molesting them is bad.

[Nightwolf04]

True very true but still he brought it upon himself in my opinion.

[Sicander]

I dont know if Micheal Jackson molestered little children, but Im pretty sure he did, so Im gonna say yes.

[MrsD]

The guy's a nut case - he always was! I can't wait to see the outcome of this trial....

[MrsD]

I've had about enough of this freak show. Poor Michael emerged from the courthouse today "totally exhausted and drained" from his day as defendant. He showed signs of stress and weakness. Good - someone shoot him now before he regains his strength and strikes out at another child.

[Klashbash]

If Michael Jackson loves all children in general then why does he only sleep with little boys?

[MrsD]

Has there been a verdict yet?

[Klashbash]

The jury is still deliberating but you would know that if you turned to ANY news channel!

[MrsD]

Thank you for the information, Cyborg. I spend very little time affixed to a television, so pardon me for my ignorance. As always, you are right there to point out one's frailties.

[filantro]

No matter the outcome I am already sorely disapointed in the american mind set. They are quick to judge (by physical appearances especially) and we have gone from innocent until proven guilty to "If the media deems the accused guilty then THEY ARE". Wow...amazing. One, entire nation utterly defensless to their television sets. To the morsels of misinformation. Soaking up every bit of fear the media can pump into our already closed minds. A lovley paradox no?

I do not believe his career is over. Certainly if he is convicted many people would be satisfied because trash press does the real deal. If innocence is cast upon him then I will expect another great album. His History CD was made up of songs almost entirely stemming from the 1993 accusations. He even sang a song about Tom Sneddon (The District Attorney in both 1993 and this current case). He wrote Scream (Duet with sister Janet) which was amazing. The whole 2 disc History album was amazing. His invincible album released a few years ago did well. Nothing like the 60 million copies of Thriller...but 6 million in just a few years isnt bad for someone who "hasnt released a decent song in ten years", -(ANd PEOPLE THINK, That was the 80`s there is no way for any band nowadays to dream of selling that much records... The 90`s came with a lot of things, one of them is INTERNET, everybody download pirate music and the economy in a lot of countries is very bad to buy a record from any artist, they prefer a plate of food... Probably you don`t care about that either.)-
MICHAEL even released a song on this album pertaining to how people view him..a "Monster". One of his songs addresses the media, including Lady Diana's death.(They were good friends). Great songs that are demonstrative of his talent. So I think he is doing well enough.
I have read the transcripts of testimony, I have followed this case since the day of the raid on his ranch. To argue his innocence would only waste thousands of words already said. As I said: I only hope for justice. Although if america wants a monster...they will make one out of anyone they wish...which I believe the world has seen, unfortunatly, too many times in the recent years.

I really hope one day the human race will stop Judging others, without knowing anything but what they hear in the tv, stop discriminating by looks, stop fighting for ****, stop looking in others something that may distract others to look ourselves... That is what it`s all about, instead of looking the man in the mirror we are so afraid to face we decide to take a shot at the first thing we see, so we don`t "mess" with ourselves.
Take a look at yourselves to see if you are perfect to judge others, or stop feeding your mind for a while... stop thinking and use your heart. YOu WILL GET A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR EXISTENCE.
THe mind is the only thing never stops Judging... Make it stop for a while...
IS UP TO YOU,

"THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE INFINITE, SPACE AND IGNORANCE... AND I AM NOT too SURE OF THE FIRST ONE" ALBERT EINSTEIN

[MrsD]

Great first post, filantro. I must say that yours is the first argument I've heard in DEFENSE of Michael Jackson. Good to hear it, even though from everything I've read and heard I'm afraid I think I'd vote the man guilty. You are right on so many levels here - many people think MJ is guilty soley by the way he looks, acts or speaks. That has no bearing in my thoughts. I'd LOVE to see Michael Jackson's career continue - he is a true artist and one of the best performers to grace a stage. What a shame he has taken such a sabatical. I do not think he will be convicted soley by his fame and status - I have to say I think this man is not well, and should not be raising three children. In fact, I think he should not be allowed near children at all. My beliefs have NOTHING to do with his appearance or the different lifestyle he maintains.

[GoingNova]

I am not disagreeing with you Filantro, and welcome by the way, HOWEVER, when you get on Television and say that it is acceptable for grown men to sleep with children (not their own), can you not really be blamed for bringing this upon yourself?

Innocent until proved guilty. I have not seen the trial, and I have not read the evidence. Do I think he is guilty? Yes, I do. Do I also think some of the parents who send their children to him shoulder some of the blame? Yes I do. All of this does not erase the fact that the guy obviously needs mental help.

[Rascal]

i couldn't believe that on, what was it 60 minutes?, when the interviewer point blank asks him "is it ok for grown men to sleep with young children in their bed?" and he says "yes! of course!"...*shakes head*, michael, michael, michael. just say no...it's one thing to have your OWN children in your bed once in a while (say after they have had a nightmare or something like that)...but having other people's kids in your bed? right there he did himself in with the media and the public. i like to go with the innocent untli proven guilty idea, but sometimes guilt is blatantly obvious as it seems to be in this case.

[Nightwolf04]

Not been watching tv much lately. So cannot really say I have much interest.

But If he says things like that then obviously...he could most probably be guilty, but then again as Nova says innocent til guilty.

[Rascal]

i hate to do posts like this...but i got kind of riled up...

it is wrong to make fun or judge someone because of a disease, that it´s cruel and not an admirable human act to do.

i don't know if that's the way that anyone here has been thinking about it, but i don't think it is. i think most (if not all) have been making our judgements based on the information that we have.

Perhaps we are not ready to hear a statement like that, or to accept fat people, or lesbians, gays, blind, people in a wheel chair or any other human different from us without giving them a creepy or sad look.

not ready to hear a statment like "i like to sleep with little boys"? i certainly hope that we are not ready to hear a statement like that. accepting people of different sexual orientations and people with disabilities is a long way off from accepting people that like to sleep with children...


You will see a lot of things who make you learn that not all persons all raised the same way, with a joyfull family, trusting brothers, social development humans normally would have. And for that you wont say: "That`s wrong" Beacause you are looking from your view point, directly related with the way you have grown...
Michael Jackson Has a lot of scars, and a dead body on his back wich seem to be carrying a long time... But that a problem he has to face, and be helped to... like any of us should do if we had one.
Our mind works in a really funny way, think about the things most people admire or feel passion for... Take Religion for example.

just because someone has faced dificulties in their life does not excuse them for taking responsibility for their actions. he had a hard life, ok, fine. but does that mean that if he is guilty he should face less of a sentence? i don't think so. if he has done these things than of course he needs and deserves help as anybody else would, it is a shame that he didn't try to seek that out before hand. again, i have already assumed guilt, but that's the feeling i'm getting.

A guy called Jesus, Feeling A passioneate love and interest for Children, calling them "pure souls" "sheeps from heaven" and giving them special attention hanging with them, sleeping and putting them in a special level of importance, he pleads to people and order to love them and feel te same passion he feels for them...

i'd say there is a large difference between the way Jesus meant hanging out with children, loving children (in a platonic, unconditional way), and what child molesters do. yes i am assuming that michael jackson is guilty, because of the evidence against him, not because of his looks, i couldn't care less what he looks like. the fact of the matter is, if he did abuse children, he deserves all that's coming to him.

just my opinions here...

[pink_beliefs]

i'd say there is a large difference between the way Jesus meant hanging out with children, loving children (in a platonic, unconditional way), and what child molesters do. yes i am assuming that michael jackson is guilty, because of the evidence against him, not because of his looks, i couldn't care less what he looks like. the fact of the matter is, if he did abuse children, he deserves all that's coming to him.


If you love children, become a Big Brother/Big Sister, or mentor. If you love to sleep with children, perhaps this situation should be analyzed and/or changed. Secondly, I am sick of hearing people whine about being wrongly oppressed because they are: a certain race, overweight, have a disability, or are homosexual. We are not criticizing this man's actions because he is/was black and had a botched surgery, or anything to that extent. Instead it is because he did something that is morally and socially considered to be wrong. You do not sleep in the same bed as a strangers child. Simple. You do not want to be judged incorrectly for that? Well unfortunately this is not acceptable behaviour in our society. You made your bed, now lie in it. (I wonder how many times that has been used?)

[Nightwolf04]

just my little bit...

you say he's had a hard life?? well lots of people have hard lifes, infact nearly every body does, that's not even one valid excuse for sleeping with children.

If that makes sense?

[Nightwolf04]

was that all meant to be in caps??

[pink_beliefs]

First of all, chill out, and perhaps you should read that capitalization thread. Secondly, I never said whether or not I though Micheal Jackson was guilty or not. Regardless of if he is or isn't, it is not socially acceptable to sleep with a child which is not yours. You say babysitters would also be locked in jail, well I babysay for 5 years and never once slept with a child. Thirdly, I think it is quite offensive to try to equalize Jesus Christ with Micheal Jackson. Even if I wasn't religous, which I am, I would feel it wrong to try to equalize both situations. After all, that was THOUSANDS of years ago. We no longer allow 12 year old girls to marry 39 year old men and start popping out babies like little machines. There have been many changes to society as a whole in that amount of time. Now there are laws set to protect children. I cannot say I agree with all the laws we have to abide by, and no, I doubt there is a law preventing you from sharing a bed with a child when you do not sleep with them. HOWEVER, it is socially unacceptable, and people frown upon it. If you do such a thing with a strangers child, be ready for a social backlash. Is he guilty of doing something that goes against the societies norm? YES. Is he guilty of child molestation? They have yet to prove anything. And that is the issue facing the courts.

[MrsD]

sounds fair enough to me...

[MrsD]

Huh?:eusa_eh:

[Lil Bit]

Someone please stop the insanity!!!

[MrsD]

Wait a minute, Mustang - insanity is part of the stuff that makes this site so cool - insanity is underrated.

[pink_beliefs]

hmm... that seems like a dignified response.

[pink_beliefs]

It is also rather rude, especially since in the rules of posting we are all asked to type in english as that is most of our first languages.

[MrsD]

Hmmmm - SOMEONE got up on the wrong side of the bed... Did anyone say they didn't understand filantro? Did I miss something?

[pink_beliefs]

:eusa_sile If you have nothing nice to say, do not say anything at all. :eusa_sile

[MrsD]

Well, whatever. I'm not sure I'm very keen on any of that last post, filantro - but again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so post away - and it's not OUR problem that you speak Spanish, either.

[Klashbash]

Wow filantro, you really need to not only cut a lot of the clutter you have in your long drawn out posts but you really need to cut out the CAPS as well as separate your paragraphs a line further. If you don’t do this, you’ll find a lot of people ignoring you with me included. READING IN ALL CAPS IS ANNOYING AND POINTLESS; USE AT LEAST SOME OF THE BASICS OF ENGLISH. I see a lot of excuse making by you but I don’t see any reason what so ever backing up your unsupported assertion that Michael Jackson is innocent. Oh and a question I previously posted: If Michael Jackson loves children then why does he only have WHITE little BOYS over in his house and nobody else?

since you don`t underestand the things i tryed to explain in english... i did it in spanish... IT is call irony.
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And again

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That has to be… wow there really just is no words. People don’t understand the things you said because you didn’t explain it in a grammar appropriate fashion in any sense what so ever. Don’t take out your rage on us because you apparently have a poor insight on the English language. You constantly type in all caps, don’t separate your paragraphs and you need to cut a lot of the clutter and get straight to the point.

[MrsD]

I'm not touching this one... next post, fire when ready!

[smo1704]

Hmm...
I know some spanish, and I think I understand some of what you said Filantro, but the lack of spacing and possible misspellings made translation difficult. In the first sentance you seem to be calling someone the "most atrocious *******s" you have ever known in your life. In the second sentance I think you said that his mental disorder is very large now. However, at that point I just gave up. I'm willing to try to understand what you are saying, regardless of language, but the lack of spacing was more than I could handle (It's been much too long since I studied spanish).

With regards to the original topic of this thread: I think Michael Jackson probably did molest some of the children at his ranch. However, the family that is accusing Jackson has a history of trying to live off of lawsuits, and I don't think they should be rewarded for it.

[GoingNova]

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Posting Rule #5:
As the majority of readers post in English, we would appreciate you doing so as well.

[GoingNova]

Pardon me... If you cant understand spanish it is not my problem...
Posting Rule #5:
As the majority of readers post in English, we would appreciate you doing so as well.

[GoingNova]

Smo17 not even close... but keep trying...
ok, First of all I was writing in all caps because i didn`t notice caps buttom was on... not after i post my message. i was looking down to my keyboard and at no moment looked the screen. I guess everybody make mistakes. I didn`t new it was such a big issue. But if it is, sorry about that.

Not a big deal.

The only reason I have to give long explanations is due to a simple thing- If I just say my opinion without any sustancial or backing explanations nobody would underestand why i say "this or that" just thought it would be better that way. That is what a really debate is about.

True, but a general forum rule is that people don't read long posts. :dontknow: K.I.S.S. - Keep It Short & Simple.

I`ve just noticed this site is only for "bashing" people with no reason, like a "Cabron" there is no space for reasonable thought in here.

The site isn't JUST for Bashing, that is just our theme. There are many debates and well thought out posts here. Just look around.

probably was my mistake to sign up...

Only you can answer it is was or not.

All I had to say for Mj, I did it, as hard as Could but I`ve tried my best, and I would stand for anyone who is falsely accused... but I won`t play this sick game anymore.

If you read my post, you would have seen that I also believe he is innocent until proved guilty, but people are allowed to have opinions. I am not sure why you think it is a "sick game" because people disagree with you.

And just in case you didn`t notice. I am not american, English is not my first language but lots of people, (normally americans), think everybody speaks it or has to do it just like them.

If you want to post here, you have to post in English. I am not sure which is worse, Americans thinking everyone should speak English, or Spanish people getting offended by Americans not speaking Spainish.....

Try not to be so "CHUPAPIJAS"

I guess you find it amusing that people might not know what a Chupapijas is. Oh well.

I am not from a shiny prosper country and a lot of people can`t pay thousands of dollars in education like most of you people do

Am I supposed to feel guilty about being born in the United States? Do you think everyone in the United States is rich?

our language is spanish we won`t be raised speaking english, and we never do that because we are a different culture.

HOLA! Your language is Spainish, when I come to your web site, I will speak Spanish! We speak English! When you come to our web site, you speak English, or you don't have to come here!

Probably you won`t give a f*ck about that and say "Oh, it is not my problem!".
Instead of hurting foreigners because they can`t express as good as a one who was born there,

Actually, I was going to compliment you on your English. You speak English much better than I speak Spainish.

try no to be such dickheads.

Try not to be so sensitive because you posted something on an English speaking web site, and no one understood you. Also, knock off the insults, or you can find another web site to post your tirades.

If you didn`t want to offend anybody, it is hard to believe. Because all around the web, My people (country) always get trashed by americans and english speakers.
I am not angry but dissapointed, anyway you can continue trhowing **** to me or anyone you wish, afterall that is what this site about...
Peace,

I do not believe it is offensive to ask someone to post in English on an English speaking web site. If you are offended, well then perhaps you might not want to stay. If you want to stay, you are welcome so long as you follow the posting rules, just like everyone else. If you want to leave, then thank you for stopping by. Paz.

[GoingNova]

Obviusly you read my last message. And You know well I am not offended because You don`t speak spanish, that is not the issue here. It bothers me the way you think everybody has to speak perfect english and grammar and don`t respect people whose english is not as good as you.

INSANE CYBORG said -That has to be… wow there really just is no words. People don’t understand the things you said because you didn’t explain it in a grammar appropriate fashion in any sense what so ever. Don’t take out your rage on us because you apparently have a poor insight on the English language. -

Oh, right ... Nobody said that... This is the stupid game i don`t wanna play anymore, It`s a metaphor, i am sure you will quote this too. it has nothing to do with People disagreeing with me, it is about respect. and not being such a pain.

Of course i have a fuc*ng poor insight of English I am Spanish. You could at least respect that and try to understand my english without being so cocky with my english skills... just as i do the same with your writings...
But regardless what I say, you people always "win", quoting every little thing I say to turn it on your side and make others look wrong, most of the time not even underestanding what you are quoting because you change it the way you want it to be; amd then play stupid and refute all.
Don`t worry I am out of here... No matter what I say this never gonna end, And you are never gonna get it.

Insane has a way of rubbing people the wrong way. I can see why you got upset, and I understand why, but Insane Cyborg is not EVERYONE here. As I said, you speak English MUCH better than I speak Spanish! I meant that! I would NEVER be able to post on a Spanish site!

You are most welcome here, and quite frankly, your input here is equally as welcome. I would say that we started off on the wrong foot, and I would chalk up the problem to a "translation misunderstanding". Whatever you decide to do, thanks for registering, and thanks for posting. I hope you decide to stay. :eusa_ange

[Nightwolf04]

LoL i actually for once agree with insane (everyone dies) lol but he has a point. He should have read the rules first, the rules are clearly stated and says that english is to be used, because that's mainly everyones first language. So what's the point in putting up spanish.

Oh and that tranltion of ******* that seems like he was calling us *******s??

I haven't said anything but agrued a case against him, but either way I hope he stays because either way everyone opinions are valid and needed to be taken into account even if people don't agree.

[MrsD]

We are not here just to bash with no reason - we're here for much more. We're a community or sorts, and as much as Cyborg may rub people That's a Democracy. Filantro is just as welcome - I hope he/she changes their mind about leaving. If a person carries a chip on their shoulder for WHATEVER reason, and that's what this whole mess has sounded like from the beginning, then they may want to stay out of forums altogether. The insulting, vulgar and totally disrespectul language used by filantro is unwarranted and undeserved in my opinion. No one should have to read that crap. I believe that filantro has misunderstood what WE have had to say, and it is not for any lack of a grasp of the English language - filantro can express his or herself BETTER than many Americans born and raised here. Let's put this issue aside and carry on. Filantro is welcome here. If he or she decides to leave, then that's the way it is.

[ty1]

I DONT REALLY CARE EITHER

[ty1]

you notice that barry bonds got an infection as soon as he got singled out

[ty1]

hopefully they throw the book at him

[GoingNova]

Who Jackson or Bonds?

[chica_dulce_04]

I've gotten to where I really don't care what happens with him as long as they get his sorry arse off the tv.. I'm tired of looking at him!

[MrsD]

Arse! That's one of my favorite words!! I love that word - ARSE arse arse ARSE!!!!


Anyway - back to the thread - I couldn't agree more, chica - I'm sick of looking at this loser and his band of supporters. He's guilty of SOMETHING, and I hope he gets nailed for it. I don't watch the news anymore - it's too revolting.

[chica_dulce_04]

lol... I love that word too! :icon_thum

But yes, he should be removed from the news. I think they should just throw him in prison. I really don't care anymore if he's guilty or not. He's a suspicious character and America has to watch out for their kids.

[Lil Bit]

He should have been in jail a long time ago. Sorry, but if you are innocent of a crime then why the hell would you pay off someone by the millions?!?!?!? He has gotten this idea in his head that he is invincable and that no one will put him away. I hope that we prove him wrong. Sicko.

[Nightwolf04]

I hate the fact that it's over tv alot too.

word: arse use it all the time ^.^

[Klashbash]

Innocent on ALL CHARGES? HIM A FREE MAN? I believe the jury was imitated by the racist black community.

[ANGLOIRISH]

Sorry People, however, I feel Michael Jackson is innocent. He may not be mentally well but he really needs to wise up. I truly believe he thinks he is Peter Pan, and he has not emotionally grown up, however, you have to admit that he excerises poor judgement in his choice of "friends". Hopefully he will wise up and stay away from entertaining children unless there is adult supervision.
I feel sorry for him, he is a pathetic little boy. Sadly, as wonderful as it would be to remain young forever, it is time for Michael to grow up!
This post is being made after the return of "Not Guilty" on all 10 counts so I didn't vote. I now have to listen to everyone who is angry that he walked.

[Klashbash]

Why do you think he is innocent?

[ANGLOIRISH]

I believe he is innocent because he thinks like a child. He is acting like a pre-teen. I realise he is in his forties, however, he is mentally trapped into the behavior of a child. People are prosecuting him far more than they did OJ Simpson and there isn't an idiot on the planet that believed he was innocent. I truly believe people should give him a chance.

[Klashbash]

He's innocent because he's mentally ill? Uh… right. Pedophiles come from all different kinds of mentally ill people.

Here's some questions for you:

#1. If Michael Jackson loves all children, why does he only have WHITE LITTLE BOYS over and not any other children?

#2. If Michael Jackson thinks like a child, why does he have pornography at his house? Especially gay pornography?

#3. While Michael Jackson embraces children, is there truly many instances that he thinks like a child? A child is a lot more active, talking about every little thing and always asking questions and such… I see no such thing from Michael Jackson.

[Klashbash]

It’s interesting that people such as filantro are the ones that defend Michael Jackson. Unable to argue against any of the statements of the people who think MJ is guilty, filantro turns to juvenile insults that even I didn’t use when I was nine. MJ was NOT proven innocent but merely there was a supposed reasonable doubt and was thus declared not guilty.

[MrsD]

filantro, you are really pushing hard on the limits set for posting - I strongly suggest you tone yourself or it'll be made clear that you will not be able to post again. We've made it clear that you are welcome here, but you will not be allowed to attack another member. Just who do you think YOU are, anyway?

[Klashbash]

mrsd607 you need to get realistic, he's made it abundantly clear that he does not want to participate in any meaningful conversation. He doesn’t respect anyone, is full of hatred and the only thing he can do is insult people. How can you not see that he has gone FAR FAR FAR beyond the level of a warning?

[deadpool]

filantro, errr maybe you should calm down just a bit, everyones entitled to their opinion.

back on topic, i just can't wait till i stop hearin about this on the news, i really just don't feel a need to hear about it.

[MrsD]

You are right, Cyborg. filantro has totally outstepped his/her boundaries. I'm trying to be as fair as I can, and waiting to see what comes next. I appreciate the fact that none of us has been able to communicate rationally with this member and that he/she has been warned sufficiently. I do believe that filantro in some way feels he/she has been treated unfairly by us, and that one more chance should be offered.

[Klashbash]

Deadpool, it's not what you or I want to hear but what the majority wants to hear and that is what sells.

[MrsD]

OK, filantro, you filthy mouthed beast, you have been banned. Some people don't deserve a chance - they're just not worth it. Apologies to all members who have been slandered by this idiot.

[deadpool]

unfortunetly you are very right cyborg

[Doggypup]

OK, filantro, you filthy mouthed beast, you have been banned. Some people don't deserve a chance - they're just not worth it. Apologies to all members who have been slandered by this idiot.

Wow... what was that?, So we can insult anyone out of this forum?... I don`t think that is right or fair for anyone who reads your post.
I`ve been surfing this site and I was surprised how much insults you throw to outter persons of this site, And i guess that is unexuable too-
LEt´s put some examples...
1"I'd love to see the creep-a-zoid convicted and sent to prison to take it up the cooley..."
2"I'm sick of looking at this loser and his band of supporters..." (you are offending a lot of people with this sentence)
3"Sicko...."
4"filantro, you filthy mouthed beast..."
5"Apologies to all members who have been slandered by this idiot...
6"The guy's a nut case - he always was.."
7"someone shoot him now before he regains his strength and strikes out at another child...."
8"I've had about enough of this freak show..."
and so on, and on, and on, and on-------
I find this things very offensive, specially number 7 (wishing another human to die?)(by the way the administrator wrote that) ... doesn`t matter if it`s a member or not it is a human being... so I guess it has no excuse to treat anyone like that... even if it is not from this forum.
I don`t think you guys are better than filantro or any of this site. you are just Hipocrites

[MrsD]

Well, Doggy - I don't think you'd be very pleased to read some of the revolting names that filantro called many of our members, and the filthy, disgusting words used. We gave filantro more than ample opportunity to post by the rules, and he/she refused. They're banned. We're not hypocrits, we belong to a site called Bash Anything, and we do. We respect our fellow members opinions and get along rather nicely.

[Klashbash]

Doggypup, nice try but anyone can look at filantro's posts (well when they were all up) compared to those and see a huge level of difference. Simple name calling of "idiot" is one thing but talking about (sorry for the next few words but I have to say this example to make my case) *** guzzling some **** is another. I mean when it was all said and done the guy had like eight paragraphs of extremely offensive insults and that is not an exaggeration.

[deadpool]

yeah, definetly a huge difference.

[MrsD]

I deleted all of the offending posts. They were disgusting and hurtful to some of our members who did nothing to deserve the attacks. I would have hated to have them read what was posted about them. The banned member was operating on another agenda, believe me. Thank you, Cyborg - I probably should have done the ban sooner, and would have avoided all of this. I just can't stand to have someone think of us as being racists, and that was basically what the banned user was accusing us of. Let's put this one to rest....

[GoingNova]

I must have missed something.

[MrsD]

Oh, yeah - this one was a real beaut!

[Klashbash]

Nova... you just don't know.

[monsieurjohn]

not guilty?!? well i can't say i wasn't surprised, but i'm not close enough to the case to make an informed judgment. not guilty on all counts is pretty silly i think, and probably political. you'd think they'd at least get him for the misdemeanor of providing alcohol to a minor, since it was pretty well accepted that that happened

bye, filantro

welcome, doggypup. feel free to start participating elsewhere on the forums! i'm a firm believer that everyone can't be nice all the time - mrsd comes about as close as possible though, and every one of the quoted instances was either justified or the result of a firm personal opinion - not a random, unwarranted attack. if you take a look at her posting history you'll see that she has about 99% nice things to say, something which cannot be said about filantro. or you, for that matter.

[MrsD]

Gee, Reflex - Thanks!:eusa_ange