Evolution

[Scatophobe]

I believe in evolution. I challenge those who accept creationalism and ask them what exactly it is they believe led up to the creation of man.

What are everyone's theories on Evolution or Creationalism? Sorry if this thread has been done, I can't find it.

[mb90078]

I'd kinda say a mix between the two.

Until Science can tell me exactly what caused the big bang (if that is the true start of the universe) and where the materials it banged (bung?) from came from and how...then I'd have to say creation.

Evolution also doesn't explain how humans and animals have such complex bodies, same with intelligence.

I was gonna say something else but i forgot....:sidestare

[Ahmed]

This is more of a religious controversy, so I refuse to respond to this thread. Sorry, but I don't want to spark any flames....

[Scatophobe]

Originally posted by Ahmed
This is more of a religious controversy, so I refuse to respond to this thread. Sorry, but I don't want to spark any flames....

Thanks for taking the time to post, and to tell us you weren't going to post in this thread. ;)

[Typheus]

I'm a muslim, so I say creation...
It's logical because nothing is created out of nothing, so how is the world we live in and humans created? By God.

for more info open http://www.discoverislam.com/

[k pax]

i say evolution.

religion, to me, just doesn't add up . . . and where both have little conflicts in theory, i find religion's to be more potent.

[Majinbuu]

and what created god? explain to me that?

[mb90078]

Isn't that the whole mystery about religion though? That not all answers are there? That we can't even comprehend the ways God works?

Like I said earlier, what created the material that exploded during the big bang?

[Scatophobe]

Originally posted by mb90078
Isn't that the whole mystery about religion though? That not all answers are there? That we can't even comprehend the ways God works?

Like I said earlier, what created the material that exploded during the big bang?

Im sure there are theories out there about the material that exploded during the big bang. I'll try to research that a little so I can get back to you. The Evolution & Creationist debate is also about how you think man came to be.

I saw that you asked how humans have such complex bodies and intelligences. Evolution explains that quite well actually. Organisms grow and adapt to survive in their habitat. After over a million years of evolution in the human species, don't you think their our bodies and minds would be quite complex?

[Typheus]

Ok. let's say that primitive man evolved to us, humans. From where did the primitive man come from? tell me...

Originally posted by Majinbuu
and what created god? explain to me that?
Nothing, God can do things that the human mind cannot imagine, God has has no beginning and has no end.

[Majinbuu]

and, how do you know that? are you god?

probably not. You probably say that because you read that in a book. a book written by man.

[Typheus]

I did not read that in a book written by man, the bible is a book from God but it has been rewritten by man that's why some of you feel there is something missing, and so is the jewish holy book, only one of the three holy books has not been modified, that is the Holy Quran, it is from Allah (Arabic word for God), it is spoken through an orphan named Mohammad (may God bless him) who does not now how to read or write, and in the Quran there are things like the describition of the supernova.
Then tell me how come an uneducated orphan in the 14th century now what is a Supernova without the help of a supernatural being?

[Scatophobe]

Originally posted by Typheus
Ok. let's say that primitive man evolved to us, humans. From where did the primitive man come from? tell me...

There is no "primitive man" per say. But the furthest we can trace back our human roots is to fossils of a bipedal ape-like creature from 3.2 million years ago. Named Lucy, it shows probably the first step of becoming a human. That is, the ability to walk on two legs.

Earlier than that, the theory goes that all living creatures today came from the sea. Further back, and you go to the "primordial ooze" I believe. When living creatures, probably nothing more than few-celled organisms, lived.

[Typheus]

Then from where did the few-celled organisms come from?

[mb90078]

Well evolution is all based on genetic mistakes, and even given as much time as was, it's difficult to see that a single-celled organism would have so many mistakes along the way to create a human which can be so complex.

[Scatophobe]

Typheus, I don't know either. Of course there's the big bang theory, but I don't know enough about it to really debate whether it can be true or false. I believe it's possible the world was created by some higher being.

Originally posted by mb90078
Well evolution is all based on genetic mistakes, and even given as much time as was, it's difficult to see that a single-celled organism would have so many mistakes along the way to create a human which can be so complex.

Evolution is not only based on genetic "mistakes", and I'd prefer you use the word mutations because mistakes is a little misleading. The reason we have come to be so complex is the need to adapt to our environment. If all of earth was in harmony during the primordial ooze and never changed, then I don't see how organisms would change either. But organisms need to adapt to survive, or they die. It's called survival of the fittest.

[Typheus]

I have one question:
Why are we alive? so we can die? tell me...

[mb90078]

Now I never said that there were never any changes.

And I can see how "mistakes" has a negative connnotation, but in reality, that's what they are. As DNA is transfered, something was coppied incorrectly. Survival of the fittest is based on the mutations and which work the best in its environment at that time.

[Scatophobe]

Originally posted by Typheus
I have one question:
Why are we alive? so we can die? tell me...

Why is any organism alive? I don't know. Do Rabbits just live to die? Do Wolves just live to die? We don't live to die, it's just an eventuality.

You have to find meaning in your own life.

mb900078, you're right, they technically are "mistakes".

[Typheus]

There is an answer to why are we alive, because we were created to pray to God, if not then we are useless nobodies who live to die.

[Scatophobe]

Originally posted by Typheus
There is an answer to why are we alive, because we were created to pray to God, if not then we are useless nobodies who live to die.

A life meant for praying doesn't sound like a very useful life at all.

[Typheus]

Then tell me why are we alive?

[Typheus]

Anyways praying does not mean that you sit there asking God to forgive you and stuff like that, praying can be like helping the poor, not being big-headed, not to eat pork or drink beer if it is served to you, treating everybody equal, etc...

[GINA]

typheus, this isn't a debate about why we're alive and what our purpose in life is, it's about evolution

you can make a thread about that topic though, i bet it would get a lot of responses and debates

[JrpSpEeDy]

I would have to say a little bit o' both, God started it all, and science just took over. Who knows where the tiny organism's came from we will never know. But, those tiny organism's evolved, into microscopic things with body parts you could say. Those evolved into animals over millions(maybe TeraTrillions..??) of years into animals, and then to something, then to the caveman. Thats what I belive what happened. Who knows, no one but god himself. Look at Mars, or the moon or something like that. They have already found the TINY microscopic organism's in the ground, im thinking they are the beginning of another whole race, or maybe humans. Thats why I believe in so called "Aliens", They have just started to evolve that much before us, and are just that much ahead of us. They dont have to look the same, its just how they came about. So, I think a little of both, how could there be ANYTHING, how could there even be a universe without God.


PS: Sorry for kind of changing the subject to Extra-terrestrial beings. :/

[Typheus]

JrpSpEeDy your a GENIUS!!!!

[JrpSpEeDy]

Are you mocking me?... or something like that.. cuz I didnt like the tone in your font.

[Typheus]

No, I mean it, you are a genius.

[Buster]

This is an intersting topic to be started at this form. We have some very strong minded members. I can't believe I didn't start it earlier.
But first I just wanna say to Typeus the road your taking with this arguement is completely right. And don't listen to the people on this thread saying your wrong. Preach on brother!

Anyway I have a few points and if you think evoultion is right and you believe in it, then take on this points straight on! Don't go around them and don't answer them with more questions. Those are the ground rules. Ok here are my points.

-Scienctifc dating methods used to date fossiles depend on atmospheric conditions remaining constant since the beginning of life; that may not have been the case, especially if one believes the worldwide flood as described in the bible.
(more eivdence toward creationism than evoution)

-The laws of PROBABLITY point to the existence of a creator. For even the simplest amino acid to have formed by chance, the earth would have to be at least twelve times older than scientists say it is. The fact that amino acids, exist at all indicates an intelligent creator.
*(even laws-(scientific FACT!;not theory like evoultion)-of statistics prove creationism)

-Fossils can form only when organisms are buried so quickly that they have no time to decay or be eaten by scavengers. This fact seems to support the notion that a cataclysmic event-such as a worldwide flood-created the vast majority of fossils we see today.
*(More eivdence for creationism over evoultion)

-Many dposits of fossil strata do no match the geologic column supported by evolutionary theory. Suppoused older fossils are deposited directly on top of younger ones, with no evidence that the strata has been flipped.
(even more evidence for creationism over evoution)

-THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS states that anything which is organized tends, with time, to become disorganized. For this reason, our ordered universe could not have developed on its own from the chaos of the big bang. It much have had an ordered CREATOR!!
*****(Again SCIENTIFIC LAW (FACT) HAS PROVED THAT EVOULTION COULD NOT HAVE CREATED THE UNIVERSE OR ANY LIVING ORGANISM)*********

One last thing, it seems evolution always hides behind the theory of gradulism (things will change over long perioids of time). Will don't use that over strained excuse for the explanation for any of the above points points.

[Typheus]

If you think about it, where did everybody come from? I mean a human being can't just "evolve" (for you people who don't believe in creation) from nothing, there had to be a supreme being (which is God) to create everything.

And if you ask where did God come from, well God created things that cannot be explained logically, (take the universe for example, a human mind cannot imagine an endless area of space in which everything in it happens in order) and God created you, the sky, the Earth, etc... Which means that God can do things unimaginable, so why can't God have no beginning and no ending, which is unimaginable, but God is God.

[ziroi]

Actually God IS beginning and end. This may not make sense to some, but no one can truly fathom what being the first being ever is like, therefore, when we say God was the first, and someone challenges you asking, "well where did God come from?", then an answer can't be supplied. We as human beings are not intelligent enough to understand this concept.

But whether some believe we were evolved from primordial soup, or some believe we are direct descendants of the first man and woman, Adam and Eve, can we all at least come to the conclusion that the universe didn't appear out of thin air, with no control from an outside force or being whatsoever? You can keep tracing back matter, into matter, into matter, but it all boils down to where did the matter caused by the Big Bang come from? There's only one obvious logical meaning that even many scientists attempting to prove evolution have concluded, and that's the existence of an outside Being, God. God must have created this matter.

[Typheus]

God maybe the beginning and the end, but like I said before, he HAS no beginning and no end. In otherwords, God was not born, created, etc.. and will not die or disappear.

[ziroi]

Oh right, yes of course. I wasn't sure what you were talking about at first. I was just simply pointing out that God was the beginning and end, therefore, like you said, God would have no beginning or end.