Rock vs Rap

[Ahmed]

Okay I was talking to a few friends the other day about the issue of Rock music vs. Rap. Now I know how much people argue about this situation, but here's my input on things....

Personally, I love to listen to Hip Hop music. I started to listening to Hip Hop way back when I was 5 years old around the time most of the old skool rappers were around. I have listened to a little rock here and then to see if it interested me but it never really got my attention. The reason why I love Hip Hop so much is the fact that I love to listen these songs and just drift away into another dimension. The beats, tunes and lyrics help me just wander off into thinking. Some would say I'm just a stupid kid who has fallen into the Music industry's intention, but being who I am I believe that I am a true Hip Hop fanatic. I do not try to follow in the footsteps of big time rappers such as Tupac, 50, Juelz or any other rappers. I only follow my inspirations and desires. Although I do wear clothings which are vaguely similar to this style of Hip Hop. I only dress this way because I think its a great fashion statement.

Hip Hop lyrics often depict struggles within life, but some people take it to extreme measures and try to act all "hard" when deep inside they're gentle. These people are good examples of those who have fallen into the industry's traps. I, on the other hand, can relate to what they say in their songs because I have actually experienced what most of these rappers depict in their songs. Being a QueensBridge native I have to say that Queens is perhaps one of the most "gangsta" locations in the U.S. After all, most of these rappers come straight out of Queens or New York City. Rappers including Tupac, 50 cent, Nas, Jay Z, Ja Rule (don't really like him too much), DMX and a whole bunch more...

Now, according to my rock friends, they said that they like to listen to Rock because they talk about real life issues and situations. They dress up the way they do because they like to freely express themselves. My reaction to that was: The same thing relates to my situation...

Final Input: I think we should all respect each other no matter what genre of music we all prefer. But we must freely express ourselves and not try to act like someone else (AKA Dick-Riders, Wankstas, Rips in QnZ). No matter what genre of music we like, we should all listen to music that we can relate to or justify.

That's my 2 cent.

(Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section, perhaps it should be in the Debate area)

[GINA]

i am the complete opposite. i have never really listened to rap or hiphop (like a couple songs), but i love rock music. the lyrics are one thing; artists can talk about hardships in life, or sad feelings, or how happy they are...whatever. the one thing i love about rock is that they play their own music and instruments, and they write their own lyrics.

rock music doesn't have to talk about real life situations. in fact, no music HAS to. they can talk about what they want. one of the reasons why i love sum41 is not just because they write their own music, or that they can all play each other's instruments, but because they're not as whiney as other bands. their songs are about stuff that sucks, or it's about stuff that doesn't even matter. one of their songs is about how hard it is to get up in the morning. it's nonsense, but i think it's awesome.

i hate when people say "rap sucks! bah!" or "rock music is stupid!" who cares! everyone likes something different, so don't worry about it! the only thing i don't like is fake people, or people who don't even write their own music or play any instruments. one of the reasons why i hate britney spears is not just because she's all poppy, but she uses other people's lyrics, and have you ever seen her give credit to the people that play the instruments or the dancers? no, it's all about her.

good charlotte is another good example. sure, they come from a crappy city. i know, because it's about 20 minutes from me. but god they whine too much! the song about rich and famous? what the hell are they?! rich and famous!!! they complain about themselves!

all in all...i agree with ahmed in the end :)

[BigD]

Shouldn't this go in the Debate forum? Just a thought...

Anyway, I like both, though I lean more towards rap only because I'm around it so much (the majority of my school is black).

[Ahmed]

Originally posted by BigD
Shouldn't this go in the Debate forum? Just a thought...

Anyway, I like both, though I lean more towards rap only because I'm around it so much (the majority of my school is black).

Not to offend you or anything, but by stating "I lean more towards rap only because I'm around it so much" is a prime example of a "follower" for the music industry's trap.

[xNaChOx]

Originally posted by Ahmed


Not to offend you or anything, but by stating "I lean more towards rap only because I'm around it so much" is a prime example of a "follower" for the music industry's trap.

Agreed. They call that 'wanksta.'

[Buster]

Well, SCREW YOU ALL I LIKE CLASSICAL!!!!!!!!





..........hehe, I like ALL music, truly, and that means ALL MUSIC. Any language, any genre, any music. The only problem I have with certain songs, is lyrics. Really, I will listen to any song without the lyrics.........Once you put the lyrics in the song can totally be changed.

Example 1: Rap, Hip Hop, R&B. I love all those types of music, the only parts I don't like is the songs with uneeded cursing just to make it sound "hardcore" or make the rapper or singer seem cool.

Example 2 : Rock, Metal, alternative. All cool types of music, parts I don't like are the "God-Hate" and the parts with the singer just hating on other people. IT might be some sort of bad experience in their life that they wanna share and they hate the world, well, I don't really care to listen to that. I'm a happy person not a hateful, angry, "mad at the world" kind of guy.

Example 3: Punk, Sca, Emo. Some of these songs are cool, alot of them are just funny and entertaining. But some are just a person blasting something they don't like.
Its not so much the music I don't like. But the fans of this type of music, seriously, HARDCORE punk fans, are crazy people!!
They don't care about anything or anybody all they wanna do is have fun by doing something crazy and aganist the norm to get people's attention. Some are cool, but the HARDCORE guys, are little too much.

Example 45678: classical, different langs, country, techno. NO PROBS.

My preference: Well its sllighty on rap and hip hop, just because I love to dance and hip hop is where the JAMS are!

Favorite Band: Linkin Park. - they put the best of both world's together, RAP AND ROCK. ITS AWESOME!

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[GINA]

your stereotype about punks is stupid. you overgeneralize way too much

i guess i'll move this over to the debate area

[mb90078]

I never really was that crazy about music, and I'm still not, but I guess my preference is leaning toward hip hop. Maybe it's in part because I have such little value for music and all that I dont care about how good their voice is or how well they play their instrument.

I do find myself annoyed by a lot of the ultra-current rock groups and stuff.

[Ænima]

Frankly both of 'em suck, Rap is talentless crap, and rock is ok, depending on which type and band.

Frankly I go for metal, mostly mid-90's sorta stuff, tool, rage against the machine and newer metal bands like System of a Down, Mudvayne etc, and not stupid nu-metal crap like Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit

[hi02*]

I love Hip Hop and Rap. I don't go for just the mainstream stuff I also like the "Old School". Alot of people say Hip Hop lyrics are one dimensional. What about Rock? I've tried to listen but its frankly just a bunch of whining... about the ex-girlfriend or how "terrible" their life is. I think most of them are just posers.

[GINA]

i guess you listen to new pop rock, like on TRL. please, don't do that to yourself!

aenima- good choices ;)

[BigD]

Originally posted by Ahmed


Not to offend you or anything, but by stating &quot;I lean more towards rap only because I'm around it so much&quot; is a prime example of a &quot;follower&quot; for the music industry's trap.

Yeah, OK. I still like both, so there. :p

[xNaChOx]

Ok. Ahmed knows my opinions, but i'll restate them..

I used to listen to Rock a little, but I never really "felt" it. I am also a native of Queens, NY. I lived in Jamaica, around where 50 Cent resided (however I was not in his "ghetto"). I grew up around the gritty streets, and I grew up hearing hip-hop and R&B. Being in an interracial family, I have the black mother and the Jewish father. My dad does not really adapt to the music, but my mom feels it (sometimes). Both have raised me to go with where your heart takes you, and my heart took me towards hip-hop.

I am not degrading Rock, it is just that it was not such an influence on me as hip-hop is.

[strife]

Heh, the great musical debate. I personally am a huge rocker. Metallica, Guns n' Roses, Van Halen, Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots...just to name a few of my favorites. Like GINA said, I respect them a lot more than rappers because they play their own instruments and write their own music. Now, there are some bands that still fit that bill but I don't like because they seem talentless (the nu-metal wave, like the Slipknots and Mudvaynes...they just yell and play the same power chords over and over in different sequence/rhythym).

On the flipside, I did at one point listen exclusively to hip hop and I still like those old songs that I listened to back in the mid-90s. But my musical tastes changed.

As for rock being all the same lyrically (whiney about life sucks and girls), you can say the same exact thing about rap. You'll find rappers and rockers alike that find one topic and write all their songs about it. But you'll also find those groups that write and sing about vastly different subjects. Bob Dylan talks about love, whines about girls, speaks out against wrongdoings, and tells stories with his songs. Metallica has songs about the hecticness of life, God failing the leadsinger's mother, the evils of cocaine, etc...

All in all, it comes down to personal preference and what you've been exposed to. A few of you ridiculed the guy who said he likes rap because that's what he's exposed to (and even called him a "wanksta"). Why? If he said he really liked rock more but listened to rap because everyone else did, maybe that's warranted. But he's been exposed to rap and thus that's his music of choice. If I had never been exposed to rock, I'm sure I'd still be listening to hip hop because that's what I listened to and all my friends listened to. I wasn't "posing", that's what we all liked at the time. I wasn't exposed to anything else until later.

Anyway, enough of that...

[ImmortalTec]

if you want to hear real rap and what rap is all about, forget lil jon and usher and fity cent. they are all garbege. true they can get you to make your head move and your booty shakin but they arent what rap truly is. If you want to hear what rap really is then get some immortal technique. Im assuming most of you have limewire or kazaa so u can download some songs of him. search his name and a song u should hear of him is "dance with the devil", "harlem streets" and "point of no return" if not u can just buy his album. He haas 2 that are out right now. Revolutionary Vol. 1 and Vol. 2. they are very cheap cds and they are excellent pieces of music. ill send you a link of his cd if u dont have limewire/kazaa. Not only does he have lyrics that have science in every verse, but his message is true about the government and the ghetto, and if u want u can download his freestyle battles. He straight up kills people lol. But really u need to check this guy out he is 10X better then Tupac, Biggie Nas lil jon ludacris or anybody. He is what rap is all about

somewhat questionable link deleted... prove yourself and earn the right to post links like that! and welcome. -monsieurjohn

[painogb]

i personally have no major music prefs. just no rap ( I agree with the view stated earlier that it is just talentless crap) My all time fav. though has to early to mid 90's country I grew up listening to it and has stuck with me. Like strife said I was exposed to it so i prefer it. All though school all my friends liked rap or rock and always tried to get me to listen to it so i no i listen to a little rock, (as i said i hated rap) so it's just what I was exposed to

[Rumsfeld™]

I agree pain.... although rap may have a deep cultural history and mighty meaning to some, I see it as an area of music that somehow seens to be getting worse and worse. Either that or there are just more people (or a certain age) that supports these "artists." I don't consider them artists.... half the rappers I'm aware of stopped coming out with albums and such after they went big.

To me it's more of a 15 minutes of fame then you're done.
PS - painogb check your inbox

[Prox]

IMHO 99.9% of what is played on MTV should have never been made. Music has gone so down hill that it is hard to say what's music and what is just pure crap. I am personaly a huge rock man, although what I call rock is probably a bit different then what the main streem would think of. I listen to just about everything, but when it comes down to it, it is all about the classics. Im talkin Bruce Springsteen, Pink Floyd, CCR, Aerosmith, The Rolling Stones, to name a few.

For the most part I that Hip Hop is a joke, however I can appriciate its roots, and some of it is very good indeed. I appriciate all music (with a few minor exceptions), and I will never belittle someone for their music tastes, because each person has a different background to relate music to.

[psi]

Rap does have roots: it plays on an effect of Eastern culture called "ostinato". The words follow the beat and pattern. IN fact it mimics the rhythmic beat. That's why it sounds like speaking. Most Eastern music is played mainly on "rhythm" and is "mainly conjunct". Hence the rhyme or "rap" on the pattern.
Because most listeners of modern music are admirers to Western music which is mainly on "melody" it is assumed they avoid the rhythm type music. Though thrust into modern day with themes of drugs, murder, etc., may affect the average listener, it is a fascinating diversion to an overly "harmonious" music mainstream we live in today and follow a consistent pattern. The lyrics also are reflective of the city or urban life so lyrics could be justified a bit. This is why it's listed sometimes under R&B because of rhythm (the R) and blues because of lyrics.

Ska, Reggae, and Rap are on the large branch (but offshoot) of crossover music from rhythmic music.

Now Rock stems from jazz, blues, country, folk. And like most of you "melody" lovers, Rock stands foremost in the "lyrics" following a "mainly disjunct" pattern. But here rhythm only serves a purpose of homophony or accompainment to the lyrics and melody. It's no wonder that most remember the lead singer or lead guitarist.

Now to make simple for the layperson

Rap - words on the rhythm (ostinato), conjunct
that's why most remember Bass beat, Drumbeat

Rock - words on the melody, disjunct
that's why most remember singer's voice, guitar



Now coming from someone who appreciates music like Pythagoras did by mixing mathematics into the study you can appreciate a variety of music. (i.e. look under Musical Spheres). You can see why my "what music is playing now" is widely diversed as such. I appreciate ALL music. And as of recent I said I never liked much about bluegrass or death metal well I like it now but death metal does tend to make me want to purge still as it is the screaming that scares me still. And well I love rap and I love rock as stated here above. I listen to it as art of a changing culture. I guess I just view music scientifically while you all listen to it for the lyrics.... :tunes:

[MrsD]

Sorry guys - maybe I'll just too old or something, but I just can't stand the sound of rap music. Correction - I WILL listen to Eminem. That expanation of the music was awesome, psi - something I never knew.

[Rumsfeld™]

It may be / come from some kind of pattern, etc but psi - this is what I hear when I listen to or read the lyrics to rap music:

****** can't get nothin' in the **** -**** hood in da **** for the ***es is so god **** in the name of our *****-***** lord in that we as ******a's cayn't in **** for our *** yo!

I just can't grasp the idea :-S

[psi]

well there are different levels of rap obviously. But as I said most are denying rap because of the ahem "lyrics". They associate ALL rap with guns, drugs, prostitutes, etc.. There are other rap artists like Digital Underground that have clean lyrics if it's the words that bug you. But nobody should say all rap is the same because of wording.

Nelly as a hiphop artist is very clean with inneundos with his wording. Will Smith probably is the cleanest of all. But other extreme Eminem, Ice-T use lot of flair words. It's like saying Gun n' Roses represents all rock when there might be something like Beach Boys in it's midst. Big differences within that genre.

You have to think outside on the big picutre. What I mean is one needs to think complex!!!

Here's an experiment. Go to a karoake bar before they start karoake hour and ask to hear some different elements of music sans vox. That way you can tell the gist I'm talking about in music without the ahem "lyrics" which then you can provide yourself......

[ImmortalTec]

Here is a true rap song. The guy who did this song is the greatest rapper ever. He is what true hip-hop really is. He sings about a lot, politics, stuggles, love stories, tragedy stories and songs that have just awesome lyricsm. Here is one of his tragedy stroy songs

(Verse 1)
I once knew a nigga whose real name was William
his primary concern, was making a million
being the illest hustler, that the world ever seen
he used to **** moviestars and sniff coke in his dreams
a corrupted young mind, at the age of thirteen
nigga never had a father and his mom was a feen
she put the pipe down, but forever yeah she was sober
her sons heart simultaneously grew colder
he started hanging out selling bags in the projects
checking the young chicks, looking for hit and run prospects
he was fascinated by material objects
but he understood money never bought respect
he build a reputation cause he could hustle and steal
but got locked once it didn't hesitate to squeal
so criminals he chilled with didn't think he was real
you see me and niggaz like this have never been equal
I dont project my insurecurity's at other people
he feeded for props like addicts with pipes and needles
so he felt he had to prove to everyone he was evil
a fever minded young man with infinite potetial
the product of a ghetto breed capatalistic mental
coincidentally dropped out of school to sell weed
dancing with the devil, smoked until his eyes would bleed
but he was sick of selling trees and gave in to his greed

[Hook]
Everyone trying to be trife never face the consequences
you propably only did a month for minor offences
ask a nigga doing life if he had another chance
but then again there's always the wicked at new and advanced
dance forever with the devil on a code cell block
but thats what happens when you rape, murder and sell rock
devils used to be gods, angels that fell from the top
there's no diversity because we're burning in the melting pot

[Verse 2]
So Billy started robbing niggaz, anything he could do
he'd get his respect back, in the eyes of his crew
starting fights over little ****, up on the block
stepped up to selling mothers and brothers the crack rock
working overtime for making money for the crack spot
hit the jackpot and wanted to move up to cocaine
for filling the scarface fantasy stuck in his brain
tired of the block niggaz treating him the same
he wanted to be major like the cut throats and the thugs
but when he tried to step to 'em, niggaz showed him no love
they told him any mother****ing coward can sell drugs
any bitch nigga with a gun, can bust slugs
any nigga with a red shirt can front like a blood
even Puffy smoked the mother****er up in a club
but only a real thug can stab someone till they die
standing in front of them, starring straight into their eyes
Billy realized that these men were well guarded
and they wanted to test him, before business started
suggested raping a bitch to prove he was cold hearted
so now he had a choice between going back to his life
or making money with made men, up in the cife
his dreams about cars and ice, made him agree
a hardcore nigga is all he ever wanted to be
and so he met them friday night at a quarter to three

[Hook]

[Verse 3]
They drove around the projects slow while it was raining
smoking blunts, drinking and joking for entertainment
untill they saw a woman on the street walking alone
three in the morning, coming back from work, on her way home
and so they quietly got out the car and followed her
walking through the projects, the darkness swallowed her
they wrapped her shirt around her head and knocked her onto the floor
this is it kid now you got your chance to be raw
so Billy oaked her up and grapped the chick by the hair
and dragged her into a lobby that had nobody there
she struggled hard but they forced her to go up the stairs
they got to the roof and then held her down on the ground
screaming shut the **** up and stop moving around
the shirt covered her face, but she screamed the clouts
so Billy stomped on the bitch, until he broken her jaw
the dirty bastards knew exactly what they were doing
they kicked her until they cracked her ribs and she stopped moving
blood leaking through the cloth, she cried silently
and then they all proceeded to rape her violently
Billy was meant to go first, but each of them took a turn
ripping her up, and choking her until her throat burned
a broken jaw mumbled for god but they weren't concerned
when they were done and she was lying bloody, broken and broos
one of them niggaz pulled out a brand new twenty-two
they told him that she was a witness of what she'd gone through
and if he killed her he was guaranteed a spot in the crew
he thought about it for a minute, she was practicly dead
and so he leaned over and put the gun right to her head

(Sample from "Survival of the Fittest" by Mobb Deep)
I'm falling and I can't turn back
I'm falling and I can't turn back

[Verse 4]
Right before he pulled the trigger, and ended her life
he thought about the cold pain with the platinum and ice
and he felt strong standing along with his new brothers
cocked the gat to her head, and pulled back the shirt cover
but what he saw made him start the cringine studder
cuz he was starring into the eyes of his own mother
she looked back at him and cried, cause he had forsaken her
she cried more painfully, than when they were raping her
his whole world stopped, he couldn't even contiplate
his corruption had succesfully changed his fate
and he remembered how his mom used to come home late
working hard for nothing, cause now what was he worth
he turned away from the woman that had once given him birth
and crying out to the sky cause he was lonely and scared
but only the devil responded, cause god wasn't there
and right then he knew what it was to be empty and cold
and so he jumped off the roof and died with no soul
they say death take you to a better place but I doubt it
after that they killed his mother, and never spoke about it
and listen cause the story that I'm telling is true
cuz I was there with Billy Jacobs and I raped his mom to
and now the devil follows me everywhere that I go
infact I'm sure he's standing among one of you at my shows
and every street cypher listening to little thugs flowe
he could be standing right next to you, and you wouldn't know
the devil grows inside the hearts of the selvish and wicked
white, brown, yellow and black colored is not restricted
you have a self destructive destiny when your inflicted
and you'll be one of gods children and fell from the top
there's no diversity because we're burning in the melting pot
so when the devil wants to dance with you, you better say never
because the dance with the devil might last you forever

"Dance with the Devil" By: Immortal Technique

[Rumsfeld™]

^ Okay, when I read or hear lyrics with stuff about shooting up with needles, smoking crack, having multiple sex partners, and stealing from people, I don't think things like

"politics, stuggles, love stories, and tragedy stories"

It actually reminds me of ...uhh, crime. :hurl: :hurl:

[GoingNova]

Ok, takes out soapbox, and gets on it:

Rap is so popular because it is so easy to do! A 4th grader can write lyrics to most of todays wrap "songs". I have been listening to Z-100 to hear my commercial, and it was driving me nuts! All the sampling of music, all the simple ryhmes, give me a break! Let's see you write MUSIC, and sit down at a piano and play it, like Billy Joel! Let's see you write MUSIC, and play it on guitar like Eric Clapton! Let's see you write MUSIC, and play ALL OF THE ABOVE, like Phil Collins! THAT'S TALENT! Billy Joel vs Eminem, you tell me who you think is more talented? I say the PIANO MAN has more talent is his left pinky toe that the loud mouth, woman hating punk anyday. :nod:

But hey, that's just me. :lol:

[monsieurjohn]

you could fit a minibus in the generation gap here :tongue:

i really don't like rap, but i do like its contemporary, rock, a LOT. i doubt you'd appreciate a lot of my music either, nova, but i do like to think that it's a ton better than rap

at the same time, i'm not going to deny the ability of people to express themselves through rap, and if they feel that's the appropriate medium for their statements, more power to them. i'm just not gonna listen to it

[Rumsfeld™]

A 4th grader can write lyrics to most of todays wrap "songs"
I agree.... heck, look at "Lil Romeo" and "Lil Bow Wow" ... they came out with a couple "hit" albums @ like age 10 or 12...now they're millionaires.

[monsieurjohn]

i doubt they wrote those, did they?

[Rumsfeld™]

I think they did, lol

[nootch]

To suggest that writing a rap song is easier than writing a rock song is a pretty weak argument in my opinion. Music is an art form and not all audiences take it in the same way. Also keep in mind that most music you hear on radio stations today are there because they're catchy, not necessarily because they have great lyrics. I can understand if you say something like "I just don't really like rap that much" ... but to suggest that it's easier to write a rap song, therefore it's somehow of a lesser quality sounds more like equating a small set of "rap" artists that you're familiar with to the entire genre. This is not directed at anyone specifically, I've just heard that argument before and I think it gets old. The truth is, I don't like country music and I can't really explain why as I'm sure there is a lot of "good" country music that is technically impressive as well; it's just not my thing. But I admit that it's me and my tastes, not a lack of quality in the genre itself.

I personally like both hip-hop and rock, though I'm generally listening to hip-hop more these days. My all-time favorite rapper is still Tupac, but I would also suggest checking out artists like Jurassic 5 (http://www.jurassic5.com), A Tribe Called Quest, Talib Kweli (http://www.talibkweli.com) and Mos Def (http://www.mosdefmusic.com). I can also suggest other artists and individual songs if need be.

[Rumsfeld™]

Well there are definitely rock lyrics that are just as bad, if not worse than rap, but that goes for all music.

I tend to agree that with the style of rap, you can add certain content in it that would otherwise sound or be considered to listeners complete garbage or some other word to describe its pointlessness.

[GoingNova]

I can understand if you say something like "I just don't really like rap that much" ... but to suggest that it's easier to write a rap song, therefore it's somehow of a lesser quality sounds more like equating a small set of "rap" artists that you're familiar with to the entire genre.

:lol: I should have prefaced my statement with "The following is sort of meant to be funny, and not to be taken too seriously". My apologies to any I may have offended. :nod:

The fact is, I am just not a music person at all. I am so "square" it isn't funny. I listen to talk radio all day, and the only music I ever listen too is usually Journey and The Police - my wife makes fun of me all the time! She says she thinks I am part "gay" because I only like 80's music, and typically love songs at that.

The main reason I commented was, because as I mentioned I had been listening to Z-100, and I found myself laughing because I felt like my dad! I remember hearing him say, "Turn this garbage off! This isn't music!", and now I sort of feel the same way about today's music!

Commenting on the music itself, I really have nothing to say other than, if you like the way it sounds, then turn it up and enjoy. :D

Commenting on the "Hip Hop Culture", well, what I see, I don't like. But I would like to point out that it is unfair to focus on the rap culture alone. I really don't care for alot of the aspects of "Pop Culture" in general - Drugs, Sex, and Rock and Roll. As a psedo-nerd, I think more people should follow the "Prime Directive" rather than Madonna or Eminem. The world would be a better place. :lol:

[nootch]

:lol: I should have prefaced my statement with "The following is sort of meant to be funny, and not to be taken too seriously". My apologies to any I may have offended. :nod:

No offense was taken, and I wasn't directing my comments specifically at you either... I just hear arguments like that all the time and I think it's silly.


The main reason I commented was, because as I mentioned I had been listening to Z-100, and I found myself laughing because I felt like my dad! I remember hearing him say, "Turn this garbage off! This isn't music!", and now I sort of feel the same way about today's music!

Hell, I'm 25 and I say the same thing when I watch MTV or listen to some of the radio stations around here that play the same 10 songs over and over again all day (Rock, Pop and Rap stations). That's why I'm usually listening to CDs in the car. :nod:

I say bring back 90s rock like Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Sound Garden, Smashing Pumpkins, et al.

[monsieurjohn]

yeah! i'm with you there, nootch :toocool:

apparently talib kweli was here on saturday for a concert (which i heard nothing about, nor would i have attended...) - the photo caption in the school newspaper includes "More than 1,400 students packed Patten Gym for the show, during which Kweli forgot lyrics to some songs" :lol:

[FatalityLG]

:cool: It really matters who you are, because different people like different things just like some people like vegetables and some would rather slit there throats than eat a carrot. Anywho.... Umm.... no offense to any one.... but I dont like rap.... I dont think its entertaining..... Rap is more like music you can dance to..Rock entertains you and gets you siked about stuff.... It can also motavate you.... I don't think I can get motavated about a soft voice that rhymes about stuff... Im not saying rap sucks...well not all rap... about 50 percent of rap sucks...but 50 percent of rock sucks too... I myself am an intense rocker and only listen to rock, Metal, Hardcore, Screamo, and you know stuff like that... but I just find it to be something I can actually relate to. I can't relate to rap because alot of the topics of rap are vased on either violent issues or adult issues that don't relate to me yet becuase Im not at that point yet....(Im 14).... well anyways.... I actually have my own band called "Fatality" that I started in 2001 and we are rock/heavy metal/hardcore and its just fun to play because I can just think of an issue and make a song about it and they dont even have to be serious issues they can be issues that have to do with day-to-day things such as: dating, or waking up, or it can be about sureal things like zombies "lol" or Whatever... it doesnt really matter... but I also like rock becuase it lets me express my self in a fun and entertaining way.

-and on the matter that was spoken on earlier saying things like "lyrics in rock music can be just as bad or worse than rap lyrics alot of the time":terrified I find that to be a stupid argument because I have only heard a few rap songs that dont have any cuss words or bad language or sexual/drug related lyrics. And have only heard a few rock songs that do have bad language or sexual content. Like System of a Down... but they are wierd..but they can be wierd and still sound cool somehow.. I dont know how..but it works for them.. i like "system of a Down".

Again no offense to those who like rap rather than rock. I just had to get in on this conversation because theyre were alot of things that I didnt agree with and thought they were stupid..:nod:

[Monster]

I grew up in the 70ies and 80ies, so Pop & Rock music is what I grew up with. I prefer both Pop and Rock music (so I'm both a "popper" and a "rocker"! ;) -- well that's the terms we used back then for those who listened to those styles of music).

I haven't heard much rap music yet, so I don't have any opinion about it. (like, Mariah Carey's more recent adventures in the Rap arena have been very interesting to me, because they created a sound that mixes talking, singing, and various musical styles)

In my own music, I like to talk too, however; talking in music has a special appeal to me, because singing is so common. ;)

[Panache87]

I definitely prefer rap over rock. Rap revs me up and gets me moving! I don't reallly take much stock into the lyrics of rap. It's the beat of the music that I pay attention to. It could be the most explicit song, and it wouldn't even phase me. The only thing that I don't like, for obvious reasons, are those rap songs that refer to women as "bitches" and "hoes", which I barely notice half the time, cuz the lyrics are so fast,and like I said, it's the beat I pay attention to much more than the words.
This isn't my reason for liking rap so much, but as a very young kid (in the very early 90's- I was born in '87), I was exposed to it a lot. Especially between my dad and my older sister. My dad would play stuff by Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and other such rap artists, really frequently back then. At around 4-5 years old, I even started taking a liking to that particular music.
I do occasionally listen to some rock music, but I'm more of a rap lover by far.

[rosebud]

I grew up listening to Rock and Roll music. Since I do get to listen to music my kids play, I like some punk music. Not all of it, but to my kids..I'm a cool mom. :nod:

[Packbell]

its gota be rock out of nothing but presonal prefference, but either way it ahs to be something that stands out as slightly different, as there is so much of boith genre's that sound exactly the same. And both genre's are full of artists with no talent! aka 50cent McR etc etc

[.shadows]

Ahh, it is entirely personal preference. Everybody has their own tastes in music. I MUCH prefer rock, but it's not for me to say that one is better than the other. In my eyes it can be, but that doesn't make it so.

[StoryOfTheYear]

Yeah, i gotta definitly go with rock. I love the sound of the drums and everything, hip-hop usually just bores me.

[rosebud]

I grew up listening to rock and roll. Although I do like some of the music my children listen to.

All in all I still like rock and roll better than hip hop.

[Luciann]

Well i guess i will throw my 2 cents in here as well....

i grew up listening to country (yea cry in your beer stuff) and old rock (beatles and such) then as a child of the 70's i started listening more to the what is now considered easy listening/soft rock....and then in the 80s i got into all kinds of rock, i still listen to it all the time

i enjoy a lot of the 90s artists as well, i have listened to some hip hop and really don't care that much for most of it and really don't care for rap at all...i do enjoy classical but i have to be in the mood for it..

i don't particularly care for gospel, with a few exceptions...i mostly enjoy music from the 50's through the 90s, i like the new country more than the old since it is not so darn depressing

a comment was made that the poster could relate to the lyrics of the hiphop and rap, i think that each generation relates to the music of their peers...i can relate more to the 50-90s since my parents were much older than most of my peer's parents and the lyrics are influenced by the era that they are written in...but i still love my "ole time rock & roll"...Bob Segar, ACDC, Queen, Metallica, Kansas, Aerosmith, Eagles, Blondie, Fleetwood Mac....just to name a few of my favs

[Jack]

I would have to say rock. While I listen to almost anything, from KMFDM to The Beatles to Bach to Gordon Lightfoot to Gershwin, I find that most of what I listen and relate to would be classified as such.

To me, the vast majority of hip-hop artists, are not artists at all. There are a few poets, but mostly, they search for the hits and leave creativity out of it.

Then again, I could say that about all pop-music and most music that's been released in the last decade. I'm having an increasingly harder time finding anything new that's worth a damn. I usually end up cranking The Cars up real loud.

*shrugs*

[Codenz]

I listen to a wide range of music, anything from any genre that I think is awesome. I mainly listen to Rock, but there is one rap group I really like and that is Tech N9ne. Im ultimately going to say Rock, but rap does have its moments. Ill go into more detail later.

[StoryOfTheYear]

if you want to hear real rap and what rap is all about, forget lil jon and usher and fity cent. they are all garbege. true they can get you to make your head move and your booty shakin but they arent what rap truly is. If you want to hear what rap really is then get some immortal technique. Im assuming most of you have limewire or kazaa so u can download some songs of him. search his name and a song u should hear of him is "dance with the devil", "harlem streets" and "point of no return" if not u can just buy his album. He haas 2 that are out right now. Revolutionary Vol. 1 and Vol. 2. they are very cge is true about the government and the ghetto, and if u want u can download his freestyle battles. He straight up kills people lol. But really u need to check this guy out he is 10X better then Tupac, Biggie Nas lil jon ludacris or anybody. He is what rap is all about

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